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Re: Out of the Job Yet? Then Buy Foreign [nosirrahg]
by david_smith
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Jul 06, 2007 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Jul 05, 2007 1:56 pm)
Well the Car is a U.S.A car, and that is why i bought it because the profits go back to GM a car company. But for an American Muscle car, it needs to be built here in Detroit to bring us back up and to help our economy to give more jobs to those who need it here desperately.
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- #193 of 231
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Re: Out of the Job Yet? Then Buy Foreign [nosirrahg]
by m1miata
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Jul 07, 2007 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Jul 05, 2007 1:56 pm)
Well then, should a German not buy an Opel made in Germany, while having the profits go to GM of USA? It works both ways ya know in a World economy. The Ohio built Honda Accord is mostly American made parts and event the engine is made in the USA. All along the way, people have profited from the building to selling of that car. Just a thought.
Of the Camaros, the first generation is still my favorite, followed by the fourth gen. up to '97, which is pre-Concord look nose (though not the worst in history-just not an improvement). The second generation is yet another good looking car, and the third generation was in some ways a good looking car, if not quite so sturdy or solid looking. The fifth generation seem too - too, as in tallish belt line, excessive width and sort of out of proportions compared to the original. A classic '97 Z28 is gonna look leaner and sleeker. Could be long term buy and hold car. And those SS in fourth gen. really a bargain.
Loren
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- #194 of 231
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Re: Out of the Job Yet? Then Buy Foreign [m1miata]
by nosirrahg
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Jul 07, 2007 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jul 07, 2007 4:13 pm)
All I'm saying is people defected from US automakers because of quality issues from 20+ years ago...those issues are by and large history. People in the US pay a premium to buy German vehicles for the prestige/performance that goes along with them (but they aren't more reliable than most US cars). People pay a premium to buy Japanese vehicles for the perceived improved quality they provide, but in reality they're no better (or worse) than US makes.
And for complete disclosure my wife drives a "J"-VIN Honda Accord, so don't get the impression I'm closed minded on the subject. If driving a Japanese-made car gives her the peace of mind she needs to get through her day, I've got no problem with that. But for me, I don't see the advantage.
But to bring the discussion back to the future Camaro, I went to see the Transformers movie today, and as much as the logical side of me leans towards buying a Malibu Hybrid in a year or so, there's a part of me that hopes a 6-cylinder Camaro will cost about the same, and only get slightly worse gas mileage. At least I could get a subdued color that doesn't scream "mid-life crisis". 
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- #195 of 231
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Re: Out of the Job Yet? Then Buy Foreign [nosirrahg]
by m1miata
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Jul 07, 2007 (8:26 pm)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Jul 07, 2007 7:11 pm)
Check into the hybrid gas mileage and you will see little gain over the i4. It still has a 4 sp. Best buy in the Malibu will likely be the 3.6V6. Try out an Aura XR with that 3.6 and the 6 sp. = very quick. Now a Camaro with RWD and that 3.6 V6 would be nice. That is if the car was smaller / lighter. Our streets are so narrow around here, the door handles and mirrors may not stay on that super-sized Camaro. The concept car, using the first generation as inspiration and basic roof-line is just a great idea. Loved the old one.
Another cool looking car is the Solstice Coupe, which I have not heard about going into production. Lower the doors and put a decent left side arm rest on the door, and the Solstice looks pretty cool. The hardtop coupe has a nice line flow to the rear and addresses the problem of no roll bar on the convertible models.
So is it next year for production of the Camaro? Wonder if they will add plastic fenders, and/or some aluminum on the car to bring weight down. Gas mileage has to be on upside every year, and the car seems like it will need to shed pounds. I do hope they use the 3.6 V6 with a 6sp for auto. and a nice 6sp. for the stick, while keeping prices down around $24K.
Loren
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- #196 of 231
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Re: Out of the Job Yet? Then Buy Foreign [m1miata]
by nosirrahg
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Jul 07, 2007 (8:56 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jul 07, 2007 8:26 pm)
The gain of the hybrid over the i4 is about the difference between my 3.8lV6 Impala and my wife's 4-clyinder Accord. 2-3 MPG isn't a huge difference, but if I can leapfrog from being a few MPG beneath her Accord to a few above it, that makes a big difference. If I got the standard 4-cylinder I'd feel like I was catching up with her Accord; but if the mild hybrid can make that much difference yet again it might be worth it. The key will be pricing of the two - that and driving them back-to-back to see how differently they drive.
I haven't seen any specs for the production Camaro, but I do recall the concept car was really wide. I think the Camaro is supposed to be a 2009 model, which may or may not mean we'll see it in 2008. The Malibu is supposed to be a 2008, but last I read it won't go into production until October, which will barely make it available this year. The RWD Impala has supposedly been pushed back to 2011 (so we MIGHT see it in 2010).
Realistically I'll likely end up with a Malibu this time around, but then get my true mid-life crisis vehicle 8-10 years later (when my kids are out of the house, and the house will be paid off!).
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- #197 of 231
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I don't see the point of the Malibu Hybrid
by drfill
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Jul 07, 2007 (9:58 pm)
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If it can't even sniff the Camry Hybrid, it just makes the Toyota system look that much better.
The Camaro might be pushing 77-78" wide! 
A well-equipped V6 I would expect around $23-24k.
DrFill
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- #198 of 231
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Re: After seeing Transformers yesterday... [stuckinohio]
by sharkman1
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Jul 10, 2007 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: stuckinohio (Jul 04, 2007 6:46 am)
Yes it is a shame, I think waiting til 2009 or 2010 is a mistake that car should be on the road today as an '08 at this point. It did look good sitting still when it moved it looked like it was CGI. The fact that they are not for sale made the idea of one driving thru the tunnel at that moment kind of silly. By the way, what happened to that driver?? And where did the old camaro go after the tranformer switched cars?? It was on two wheels! 
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- #199 of 231
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Re: Out of the Job Yet? Then Buy Foreign [nosirrahg]
by rle4lunch
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Jul 10, 2007 (3:21 pm)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Jul 07, 2007 7:11 pm)
Unfortunately, a LOT of the same problems continue to plague the American car companies. Half of my family worked for GM on the assembly lines, and not ONE of them will own another one. I still bought a 92 Camaro because I still had faith at the time. That piece of expletive cost me so much money I got rid of it within 13 months.
I'm not saying that all American cars are junk, but the problem is consistancy, nothing more. The can roll 5 cars off the line in a row, and each one will have different lines on it, not matching the others.
The fit and finish up the Japanese cars (and some German) make GM/Ford/Dodge look really bad. Really bad.
Sorry.
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- #200 of 231
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Re: After seeing Transformers yesterday... [sharkman1]
by bigdrill
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Jul 11, 2007 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: sharkman1 (Jul 10, 2007 8:53 am)
One the finished product is not sitting in some garage while some guy laughs it up. It would be a mistake to release an unfinished sorry excuse for a camaro. They are trying to get it right...Thats why they make the big bucks. Is it far fetched to have a new camaro driving in a movie about transformers...really! Lastly Neither car disapered if you paid attention to the movie and not all the shiny things you would have figured out that they could scan whatever vehical they wanted and become said vehicle...Don't mean to be blunt, but I wasted my time reading your post thinking you had something to say, 
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- #201 of 231
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Re: After seeing Transformers yesterday... [bigdrill]
by sharkman1
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Jul 11, 2007 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: bigdrill (Jul 11, 2007 12:28 pm)
Lets back it down a bit bigdrill. I never said either car disappeared. I just wanted to know what happened to the car on two wheels, and someone was driving the new camaro when Bumble Bee took over. I don't think the car is just sitting in a garage somewhere. This car has been in development for several years and they're risking the retro fad beeing over. Ford didn't wait 5+ yrs for a retro mustang, '04 regular '05 retro. Where were you chevy? Your coming from behind. Instead of forcing the SS(we don't need a camaro)R on us you should've had the next camaro ready. 
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