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Re: MSRPs [nosirrahg]
by dispencer2
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Apr 19, 2007 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Apr 18, 2007 7:21 pm)
I'm sure they don't sell 100,000 Covettes or Cobras in any given year so if the Camaro is to reach those sales figures they will have to price it in the mid to high 20's for a base model and then appeal to the performance buffs by putting out 35-40k models with V8's etc. They may go with the LS,LT,SS designations with variances in between. The Camaro and Firebird were always male cars. I guess the old Daytona was too. I bought my high school daughter a new '89 red Daytona Turbo and she said that it was a guy's car so all the guys were jealous of her. She got more dates when she had the '83 Mustang.
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- #179 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [dispencer2]
by nosirrahg
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Apr 19, 2007 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 19, 2007 11:49 am)
Maybe armed with that info I can convince my wife that I should get a Camaro instead of a Malibu in a couple of years...my oldest daughter turns 16 in 2009, so if she were to borrow my car to go out on the weekends, she would intimidate guys in the Camaro and they'd leave her alone. As a concerned father I think that'd be the logical thing to do. 
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- #180 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [nosirrahg]
by dispencer2
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Apr 20, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Apr 19, 2007 7:51 pm)
I think that what is important is the safety of the automobile. I was ressurecting my past when I bought my daughter the cars like I that I had when I was a kid -'56 Ford convertibles, etc. Send a note to me and I'll continue this discussion. It is getting off topic.
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- #181 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [dispencer2]
by nosirrahg
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Apr 20, 2007 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 20, 2007 6:43 am)
I'll try to bring it back on topic then, and tie in what you're saying. I've always been a fan of the '67 Mustang fastback, and I've often thought it would make sense for me to buy such a car, and basically drive it forever. I figure even if I drive it and the engine goes out on it, I just drop in a new engine and the car would still hold it's value...whereas buying a new Mustang you know the car will depreciate. However, it doesn't take too much driving of an antique car like that to realize as a daily driver there's something to be said for things like 4-wheel disc brakes, good air conditioning, ABS, air bags, crumple zones. etc. etc. That's where I think cars like the upcoming Camaro that conjure up thoughts of the old car, but are thoroughly modern in terms of safety and reliability make more sense.
I inherited a 1980 El Camino last year, and as fun as it might be to tinker with and drive around, it really is scary how unsafe that truck feels versus my 2000 Impala. Cars have gotten much better over the years, and I'd much rather turn my kid loose in the Impala than I would the El Camino (even though the El Camino is less powerful and barely capable of breaking the speed limit).
So if I have a choice of buying a restored '69 Camaro for $30k or a brand new '09 for the same price, I'd get the new one. On the other hand, if I had enough money that the car was going to be more of a weekend ride than a daily driver, I'd might be tempted to buy them both!
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- #182 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [nosirrahg]
by dispencer2
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Apr 20, 2007 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Apr 20, 2007 10:34 am)
I meant to send me a personal email. My address is on the profileand I'll talk about suitable cars for teens. I had a 2000 Mustang convertible as a weekend/show car last year. I became paranoid about it -refused to drive it in the rain, superdetailed it, etc. I now have an 86 Silverado 4x4 short bed I feel the same way about .Unlike your El Camino though it feels very safe and anybody who hits it will come off second best lack of crumple zones not withstanding. Getting back to the last generation Camaro, it is night and day better than the old 70's models. I remember the old '78 Firebirds and Camaros that shook you to pieces at a stoplight. They needed to rev up to 3,000 RPM or so before they smoothed out. The folks who morn the passing of the muscle cars probably don't remember this quirk but I do and I look forward to the new model. As I said earlier I want the base convertible with a V6, hopefully a 4 speed automatic (the lag on the Fords and Mercury 6 speeds is annoying) and a Bose stereo.
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- #183 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [dispencer2]
by casull
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Apr 24, 2007 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 20, 2007 7:50 pm)
I know this is going to veer off topic, but if for some unfortunate reason BOSE does become the upgraded stereo option, do yourself a favor and save your money! Bose audio components are cheap and flimsy. They have done a fabulous job of developing a miraculous marketing ploy convincing consumers that they are top notch premium equipment, when, for half of the money, you can get components that sound twice as good.
"Friends don't let friends buy BOSE"
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- #184 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [casull]
by dispencer2
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Apr 24, 2007 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: casull (Apr 24, 2007 9:32 am)
Frankly I tend to agree after last wekend. I have the Bose system in my '06 Impala and both the standard stereos in the cheap Mazda 3 I rented in Chicago last Saturday and a friend's new Fusion sound much better than mine. The Fusion is really nice -great depth of sound -the whole car sounds like a speaker. My '03 Deville also sounds better and it only has the standard stereo. I'll take your advice. The Bose system sounds shrill even with the treble turned down. I had Bose Acoustimass speakers at home and they didn't have good base even with the base module on the floor. I didn't try out an Impala with standard sound but from what I hear there isn't much difference between that and the Bose. The Fusion was great though. GM needs to get with the program.
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- #185 of 231
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430 HP!!!
by casull
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Apr 28, 2007 (6:50 am)
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So back on track. The national unveiling fo the 2008 Corvette was this weekend and they have officially released the numbers on the new LS3. This motor BETTER make it into the Camaro.
It has 430 HP (436 HP with optional exhaust upgrade) and 424 ftlb of torque! Looks like GM is going to own the modern day muscle car wars. The Challenger's 425 hp Hemi and what ever the Mustang will have by then will be no match for this beast.
I can't wait for it to be sitting in my driveway!
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- #186 of 231
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Re: 430 HP!!! [casull]
by piason
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May 24, 2007 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: casull (Apr 28, 2007 6:50 am)
It will be priced in the same lines as the Mustang starting around 20K.
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- #187 of 231
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Re: 430 HP!!! [piason]
by jpstax1
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Jun 12, 2007 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: piason (May 24, 2007 7:11 am)
I expect an SS version (LS7 engine) will sell for ~50 grand:
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=121028/pageNumber=1
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