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Re: UPDATE..... [paisan]
by casull
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Apr 18, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 17, 2007 4:50 pm)
"I wouldn't count on it. This car will likely be expensive, and fall somewhere just south of the vette."
That is interesting becasue it directly contradicts any and all information given by GM or the Camaro community in genral.
It has been stated and confirmed that the Camaro will be priced within a few hundred of the Mustang. I hardly call that Corvette territory. GM is looking to sell 100k units a year, and I think they know that if it is priced too high that they will not come anywhere near that target. I would expect the top of the line 550 HP version to be in the vette territory, but come on now... why wouldn't it be?
Even if you account for inflation, a 2002 Z28 still comes in below $30k in 2009 dollars. There is no way a base V8 is going to be anywhere near $35k......
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- #173 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [paisan]
by casull
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Apr 18, 2007 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 18, 2007 6:40 am)
The GTO did not enjoy the economies of scale that the Camaro will have to help lower the price. Not to mention, I would have to think that GM learned their lesson with the GTOs pricing.
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- #174 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [casull]
by paisan
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Apr 18, 2007 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: casull (Apr 18, 2007 6:49 am)
Let's hope so. I'm no mustang fan and would love nothing more than to see the Camaro do well. Just trying to be realistic on how GM has been pricing their cars lately, which has been higher than expected for what you get (CTS, GTO, etc)
-mike
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- #175 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [casull]
by rayainsw
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Apr 18, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: casull (Apr 18, 2007 6:49 am)
"Not to mention, I would have to think that GM learned their lesson with the GTOs pricing. "
Lutz has said exactly that...
- Ray
Waiting ( oh, so very ) patiently...
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- #176 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [paisan]
by dispencer2
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Apr 18, 2007 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 18, 2007 7:03 am)
I would think that GM would put out some word on pricing. I agree that if it is slated to sell 100k units they will have to compete with the Mustang price-wise. I still think that there will be a price leader -something that can be equipped to LOOK like a sports car but still will have a V6, soft ride suspension, and probably a 4 speed automatic. The sales gimmick will be that it is still a Camaro. You can buy a V6 Mustang or get a Cobra. They are still Mustangs and look similar. GM will have a long way to go to beat the Mustang heritage and image. The Mustang Club of America covers ALL Mustangs right up to the newest ones. It didn't use to in the '80's when I had an '83 convertible. The club was only interested in the "classic" models (1964.5 up to 1973). There are Camaro clubs around but nothing like MCA. Don't get me wrong. I am looking forward to buying a Camaro -I've had two Mustangs and sold both of them - but GM needs to appeal to the masses if they expect to sell cars.
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- #177 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [dispencer2]
by nosirrahg
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Apr 18, 2007 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 18, 2007 4:11 pm)
One comment on the appeal of the Camaro...I think the Mustang does a really good job of appealing to both sexes, but from what I've seen the Camaro seems very male skewed. Not that that's a bad thing necessarily, but as you said, you can buy a V6 Mustang (the "secretary's car" back in the day) or a Cobra, but they're all Mustangs and there's a common bond there. I see the Camaro skewing more to the Cobra end of the spectrum in that regard.
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- #178 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [nosirrahg]
by dispencer2
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Apr 19, 2007 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Apr 18, 2007 7:21 pm)
I'm sure they don't sell 100,000 Covettes or Cobras in any given year so if the Camaro is to reach those sales figures they will have to price it in the mid to high 20's for a base model and then appeal to the performance buffs by putting out 35-40k models with V8's etc. They may go with the LS,LT,SS designations with variances in between. The Camaro and Firebird were always male cars. I guess the old Daytona was too. I bought my high school daughter a new '89 red Daytona Turbo and she said that it was a guy's car so all the guys were jealous of her. She got more dates when she had the '83 Mustang.
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- #179 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [dispencer2]
by nosirrahg
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Apr 19, 2007 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 19, 2007 11:49 am)
Maybe armed with that info I can convince my wife that I should get a Camaro instead of a Malibu in a couple of years...my oldest daughter turns 16 in 2009, so if she were to borrow my car to go out on the weekends, she would intimidate guys in the Camaro and they'd leave her alone. As a concerned father I think that'd be the logical thing to do. 
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- #180 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [nosirrahg]
by dispencer2
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Apr 20, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Apr 19, 2007 7:51 pm)
I think that what is important is the safety of the automobile. I was ressurecting my past when I bought my daughter the cars like I that I had when I was a kid -'56 Ford convertibles, etc. Send a note to me and I'll continue this discussion. It is getting off topic.
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- #181 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [dispencer2]
by nosirrahg
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Apr 20, 2007 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 20, 2007 6:43 am)
I'll try to bring it back on topic then, and tie in what you're saying. I've always been a fan of the '67 Mustang fastback, and I've often thought it would make sense for me to buy such a car, and basically drive it forever. I figure even if I drive it and the engine goes out on it, I just drop in a new engine and the car would still hold it's value...whereas buying a new Mustang you know the car will depreciate. However, it doesn't take too much driving of an antique car like that to realize as a daily driver there's something to be said for things like 4-wheel disc brakes, good air conditioning, ABS, air bags, crumple zones. etc. etc. That's where I think cars like the upcoming Camaro that conjure up thoughts of the old car, but are thoroughly modern in terms of safety and reliability make more sense.
I inherited a 1980 El Camino last year, and as fun as it might be to tinker with and drive around, it really is scary how unsafe that truck feels versus my 2000 Impala. Cars have gotten much better over the years, and I'd much rather turn my kid loose in the Impala than I would the El Camino (even though the El Camino is less powerful and barely capable of breaking the speed limit).
So if I have a choice of buying a restored '69 Camaro for $30k or a brand new '09 for the same price, I'd get the new one. On the other hand, if I had enough money that the car was going to be more of a weekend ride than a daily driver, I'd might be tempted to buy them both!
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