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Re: UPDATE..... [paisan]
by dispencer2
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Apr 17, 2007 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 17, 2007 12:53 pm)
It will be interesting to see how it is marketed. The last version of the Camaro came in tame and sporty versions. GM won't want it to compete with the G6 convertible so you are probably right. It may be marketed only as a performance sports car. If so it will die on the vine as soon as gas goes up or "Global Warming" is taken seriously ,which equates to more Governmental control of emissions, gas mileage, etc. You may not like the Mustang but it sells to a wide range of buyers and I think that Camaro will have to do the same. Even back in the days of the 70's GTO Granny could get something that resembled a GTO from a distance but was just a normal compact (an intermediate now).
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- #167 of 231
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Re: UPDATE..... [dispencer2]
by paisan
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Apr 17, 2007 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 17, 2007 4:28 pm)
I wouldn't count on it. This car will likely be expensive, and fall somewhere just south of the vette. As for gas prices? Doubt it will effect it at all, the people buying these cars will likely not care really. I know a lot of High Performance boats (cigarette boats) that are buying these up, and when you get 1 mpg in your boat, no matter how bad the milage of the sports car it won't effect you.
-mike
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- #168 of 231
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Re: UPDATE..... [paisan]
by dispencer2
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Apr 18, 2007 (4:35 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 17, 2007 4:50 pm)
I guess I'm missing the boat (no pun intended!). I figured that the new Camaro would be priced about like the last version. If it will be in the high 30's or low '40's and will appeal to people who want a bigger Corvette with a back seat, you are totally right. There would be no reason to produce a car for mass consumption and it would certainly have a leg up on the Mustang. It would be in the Corvette category and neither Ford nor Chrysler have any competitive cars. I probably will opt for a CTS convertible but will look around. I have am '03 Deville, '06 Impala, '05 Odyssey (wife's real estate car), and an '86 Silverado 4WD so I'm not really a Corvette customer! I did have a Jag in California in the '60's and spent most of my time at the dealer. Ditto my new '86 Audi -the favorite of the car writers. I also superdetailed a 2000 Mustang convertible and put it in shows but I became paranoid about it and rain, mud, etc. so I sold it and bought the old truck to restore. I'm happy with GM. thanks. Karl
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- #169 of 231
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Re: UPDATE..... [dispencer2]
by paisan
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Apr 18, 2007 (4:40 am)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Apr 18, 2007 4:35 am)
Karl,
Yeah I'm definitely thinking that the sticker on this car will be over $30k, probably around $32k->40k. Maybe a 6 cylinder will eak in at $28k. Then you figure with the usual rebates etc looking at street prices 25k->35k for most, with a full blown one well over 40k and closer to 50k for a "special" one. Like the SRT8 Charger full bore is selling for $45k-47k!
-mike
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- #170 of 231
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MSRPs
by rayainsw
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Apr 18, 2007 (6:36 am)
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The most current ** GUESSES ** regarding G8 pricing ( including quotes from Mr. Lutz ) strongly suggest the V6 version to start at $25K-ish and the V8 version to start at $30K\$32K-ish.
If true, I’d expect the Camaro to be at least a couple of grand less, at each engine level, to start. $23K for a V6 & $28-30K for a V8.
I think that if they price it any higher, they will not be competitive. Because the Mustang V6 and GT V8 will ( still ) be priced substantially lower.
If you look at a Camaro as a shorter G8, with a smaller back seat & no rear doors ( way oversimplified, but I suspect many people will perceive it thus ) it would likely be perceived as ‘worth less’ – regardless of the exterior styling.
Just my $2K worth . . .
- Ray
Ready for my test drive . . .
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- #171 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [rayainsw]
by paisan
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Apr 18, 2007 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 18, 2007 6:36 am)
Hmm it would be nice to price it below the price of the GTO but wasn't the MSRP on those $32-33k???
-mike
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Re: UPDATE..... [paisan]
by casull
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Apr 18, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 17, 2007 4:50 pm)
"I wouldn't count on it. This car will likely be expensive, and fall somewhere just south of the vette."
That is interesting becasue it directly contradicts any and all information given by GM or the Camaro community in genral.
It has been stated and confirmed that the Camaro will be priced within a few hundred of the Mustang. I hardly call that Corvette territory. GM is looking to sell 100k units a year, and I think they know that if it is priced too high that they will not come anywhere near that target. I would expect the top of the line 550 HP version to be in the vette territory, but come on now... why wouldn't it be?
Even if you account for inflation, a 2002 Z28 still comes in below $30k in 2009 dollars. There is no way a base V8 is going to be anywhere near $35k......
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- #173 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [paisan]
by casull
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Apr 18, 2007 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 18, 2007 6:40 am)
The GTO did not enjoy the economies of scale that the Camaro will have to help lower the price. Not to mention, I would have to think that GM learned their lesson with the GTOs pricing.
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- #174 of 231
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Re: MSRPs [casull]
by paisan
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Apr 18, 2007 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: casull (Apr 18, 2007 6:49 am)
Let's hope so. I'm no mustang fan and would love nothing more than to see the Camaro do well. Just trying to be realistic on how GM has been pricing their cars lately, which has been higher than expected for what you get (CTS, GTO, etc)
-mike
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Re: MSRPs [casull]
by rayainsw
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Apr 18, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: casull (Apr 18, 2007 6:49 am)
"Not to mention, I would have to think that GM learned their lesson with the GTOs pricing. "
Lutz has said exactly that...
- Ray
Waiting ( oh, so very ) patiently...
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