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Re: The question is..... [albook] by m1miata
Jan 29, 2007 (7:29 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Jan 27, 2007 8:08 pm)

Polls are interesting. People tend to not always follow up with actions which support there polled selections. I am sure a coupe, as good looking as the Concept Solstice Coupe would indeed sell like hotcakes. It is simply a beauty. That said, one problem could be the bathtub view. I see the Solstice has such a seating position. The Crossfire would have sold if you did not feel so confined inside and could see out of the dang thing. If the Solstice Coupe has too many blind spots, it could fail to sell.
 
As for the Camaro, it should sell well. I personally am not a fan of too tall doors, but overall do like the look of the New Camaro. If I happen some day to live in a town with wide streets and wide parking spots, I may consider a New Camaro. And by 2008 we will know more of the fate of GM.
As for 2007 it is a G6 or a Monte, if ya want a GM coupe.
 
As the 2009 models hit the showrooms, I would say there should be three interesting pony cars. The Mustang will get some needed face-lifts and tweaks to style and engines by that year, the Challenger is gonna take the prize for replicar look of '09, and the Camaro, if like the show car looks pretty promising.
-Loren
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Re: 2009 Camaro [brian1962] by casull
Feb 02, 2007 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: brian1962 (Jan 09, 2007 4:32 pm)

I don't think anyone knows anything for sure other than the Camaro is coming back. I have heard a great deal of speculation however that they will be offering the SS badge only, no Z28. However, that is PURE speculation, no facts.
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What Killed Camaro / Firebird Production? by andysd
Feb 07, 2007 (9:17 pm)
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Someone touched on this question, a good one. I don't agree that it was cost that made demand peter out.
 
As background, I bought a new red '89 Firebird V6 manual for under $10k, and loved it for ten years. However, I wanted to get one of the final F-body cars before they went out of production so I special-ordered a '99 Z28 6-speed, red/black, white leather - for about $24k, and I still have it. Now it has lowering springs, Bilsteins, 17" wheels, 275/40 tires like the SS, and stainless steel fender trim.
 
No matter where you place the blame for the death of the F-body, it was low demand. Was it the not-so-smooth 4-speed automatic? Poor advertising? The bland plastic "grille?" (I removed mine and it's much more interesting underneath.) Was it the car mags finding faults that I, as an owner, don't share? Mostly, I think the Mustang has a more universal appeal, more of a "secretary's car," or family appeal for a sporty car. The F-body was more enthusiast-oriented in my opinion, and thus appealed to a smaller market. I am not exaggerating when I say that about once a week my Z28 gets a "thumbs up" from other drivers, and several times I've had drivers in cars next to me at lights yell things like, "Nice car, man!"
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Re: What Killed Camaro / Firebird Production? [andysd] by rle4lunch
Feb 15, 2007 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: andysd (Feb 07, 2007 9:17 pm)

In reply to 'What killed the Camaro/Firebird'. It was a simple decision really for GM. Sales numbers for both cars had been declining drastically over the 1990's and by the end of the 90's, sales numbers hit an all time low. Since GM was having (still having) financial problems, it became a viable option to kill the product line for both cars. Personally, I was happy to see them go, mainly because both designs were getting way too junky and cartoonish looking, sporting big bubble butt rear-ends and way too much plastic all over the place. Hopefully the new one (if it gets built) will actually have some quality put back into it. I owned a '92 IROC (bought it in 94), and I must say I loved the power of the motor, but the rest of the car ended up nickel and diming me with ridiculous little repairs. GM told me it was normal for window motors to go out and T-Tops to leak, which led me to believe that they liked selling junk because of the monies coming in from having suckers like me get it fixed by a GM shop. Since then I haven't owned anything made by them, (which is sad, since my dad and brother both worked for GM for a long time).
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Re: What Killed Camaro / Firebird Production? [rle4lunch] by casull
Feb 17, 2007 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: rle4lunch (Feb 15, 2007 9:48 am)

In reply to the reply for 'What killed the Camaro/Firebird' by rle4lunch: I agree that it was certainly in GMs best interest to kill the f-bodies in 2002. As for your quality issues with your '92 IROC, that is pretty typical of GM autos of the late 80's/early 90's. It was those problems that got GM in the sticky mess they are in now with trying to overcome the public's general perception of their quality.However, they have come a LONG way since those days and are now begining t beat out a lot of the foreign automakers in initial quality, which is pretty significant for an auto maker that had the problems you described. I doubt the Camaro will suffer from the same problems this time around. Even if it does, we now have the 5yr/100k mile warranty.
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Re: What Killed Camaro / Firebird Production? [casull] by rle4lunch
Feb 22, 2007 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: casull (Feb 17, 2007 8:00 am)

I do agree that GM has brought it's quality up since the 80's and 90's, I still have issues with them. I frequently rent GM cars for business trips and have personally been the first person to rent and drive some of the rentals. On too many occasions I've had short circuits in wiring, engines cutting off for no reason whatsoever, and other little odds and ends that just make for an overall bad impression. As for the 5yr/100k warranty, that just screams out that they're not confident in their product at all and that they have to resort to ridiculous measures to keep cars moving off of the car lots.
#138 of 231
Re: What Killed Camaro / Firebird Production? [rle4lunch] by casull
Feb 23, 2007 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: rle4lunch (Feb 22, 2007 2:04 pm)

"I frequently rent GM cars for business trips and have personally been the first person to rent and drive some of the rentals. On too many occasions I've had short circuits in wiring, engines cutting off for no reason whatsoever, and other little odds and ends that just make for an overall bad impression."
 
That is strange... I rent GM vehicles about once a week for business as well and have never once had a problem, especially something like the engine cutting out...
 
"As for the 5yr/100k warranty, that just screams out that they're not confident in their product at all and that they have to resort to ridiculous measures to keep cars moving off of the car lots."
 
That comment lacks any logic whatsoever. So you are then saying that a 3 yr/30,000 mile warranty is better becasue it means that the company is more confident about their quality? If they were confident in their product, wouldn't they offer a longer warranty to prove it?
 
It is fairly obvious that you are either very much against GM and it really doesn't matter what they do, you will never support them; or, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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Re: Not "Made in the USA" [albook] by holdenguy
Feb 28, 2007 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: albook (Nov 20, 2006 5:31 pm)

Mustang,
Last time I checked, it doesn't have an LSD.
Nice if you like heaps of axle tramp.
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Re: Not "Made in the USA" [holdenguy] by shipo
Feb 28, 2007 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: holdenguy (Feb 28, 2007 8:29 am)

The Mustang GT has an optional 3.55 LSD rear end for $100. Not too shabby.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Not "Made in the USA" [holdenguy] by rorr
Feb 28, 2007 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: holdenguy (Feb 28, 2007 8:29 am)

"Last time I checked, it doesn't have an LSD."
 
Then you need to check again. A limited slip differential is STANDARD EQUIPMENT on the Mustang GT.
 
The 3.55 rear-end is simply an optional gear ratio. The LSD is standard equipment.
 
AFAIK, a LSD has ALWAYS been available on the Mustang. My '66 didn't have one originally but I know that a trac-loc rear-end (Ford speak for LSD) was available. It's possible that a LSD wasn't available for a bit in the Mustang Dark Ages ('74 to '79). But the less said about the Mustang II, the better....

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