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#123 of 231 2009 Camaro by brian1962 Jan 09, 2007 (4:32 pm)
Does anyone know if the 2009 Camaro is going to come in Z28? Replies to this message: casull (Feb 02, 2007 7:50 am)
#124 of 231 Re: Camaro \ C6 Drivetrain(s) [rorr] by rayainsw Jan 12, 2007 (9:42 am)
Replying to: rorr (Nov 10, 2006 1:12 pm) "The transmission is too costly for a Pony car."    "Excellent point. Doesn't the C6 use a transaxle? No way GM would be offering a transaxle in what should be (at least nominally) a 4 seat vehicle."    = = =   The C6 ( my daily driver is a 2007 ) has the transmission mounted in the rear – and co-located with the differential.   It is not, however, [ strictly speaking ] a transaxle. They are separate units. Other GM vehicles using versions of this transmission ( including the 2007 Caddy STS V8s ) mount it immediately behind the motor.   The issues here ( in my opinion ) are that the 6L80 six speed automatic ( as in my C6 ) is a rather expensive and fairly heavy item. The Tremec T56 manual six speed transmission is robust, but has issues as well . . .   If a six speed automatic is deemed necessary, the version of the automatic in the 2007 Caddy STS V8s ( 6L50 ) might be a candidate for something less powerful that a 400 \ 400 LS2 motor.   The other issue is that the C6 has an IRS – again complex & expensive. I am not convinced that this will even be optional on the Camaro.   I’d have looked far more seriously at the Mustang GT, if an IRS ( and any sort of manumatic shifting ) had been available. . .   - Ray Happy C6 driver!   1 Source: http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07car.htm
#125 of 231 Rumors... by readerreader Jan 12, 2007 (2:56 pm)
"Zeta is a very versatile architecture. The front axle centerline on the Camaro is about 50mm further forward than it is on the Holden Commodore (and therefore the Pontiac G8, the lightly made-over Commodore sedan that will debut at the Chicago Show next month). The reason for this expensive change is that it allows the Camaro - and the Impala - to run 20-inch wheels without compromising steering lock. In fact, says one Holden source, 24s will fit.   Both the Camaro coupe and convertible concept are therefore very close to the production versions, say GM insiders. The roof of the coupe will be raised about 15mm for production, and the bodysides will be pulled in 5-10mm. But that's about it. What you see here at Detroit is basically what you're going to get in Chevy showrooms in 2009.   Cost has been a major issue for Camaro. But GM sources say entry level versions will retail from about $21,000. That's because they will use the cheap-to-build pushrod 3.9-liter V-6 as the entry level engine. Insiders say Tom Stephens' team at GM Powertrain has been working flat out to improve the refinement of the 3.9. Mated with the six speed - manual or automatic - it should be a much smoother package than the truck-like 4.0-liter V-6 that powers base Mustangs."   http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0702_2009_chevrolet_camaro-
#126 of 231 More Camaro pics by readerreader Jan 12, 2007 (3:01 pm)
From: http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/
#127 of 231 One more... by readerreader Jan 20, 2007 (11:45 pm)
#128 of 231 Re: The question is..... [drfill] by m1miata Jan 27, 2007 (9:37 am)
Replying to: drfill (Jan 06, 2007 9:52 pm) The two cars represent the same time period. The New Camaro does look a lot like the original, which was one of Detroits most beautiful cars ever produced. The Mustang looked great too, back in '67. It was more aggressive in nature, and the Camaro was more flowing lines. If they could scale down the New Camaro, I might be interested. Really now, the 79" plus width makes her a bit fat and hard to slot around towns with narrow streets. Suppose to be a Pony car, and not a Clydesdale.   GM missed the boat when they did not introduce the Solstice Coupe. With the 3.6 V6, it would have had potential.   Loren Replies to this message: albook (Jan 27, 2007 8:08 pm) mako1a (Jan 28, 2007 8:30 am) m1miata (Jan 29, 2007 7:29 pm)
#129 of 231 Re: The question is..... [drfill] by albook Jan 27, 2007 (8:04 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jan 06, 2007 9:52 pm) ME!  THe Comaro still looks awkward to me. But the convertible makes it look a little better. I'm not gonna lie- THe Mustang GT is off the chain! We need not even discuss that cobra!!!!!!
#130 of 231 Re: The question is..... [m1miata] by albook Jan 27, 2007 (8:08 pm)
Replying to: m1miata (Jan 27, 2007 9:37 am) GM missed the boat when they did not introduce the Solstice Coupe. With the 3.6 V6, it would have had potential. Not completely true. A poll showed that people would rather have the convertible over the coupe. And from the race hardtop version (500hp) I've seen, It might look awkward. Replies to this message: mako1a (Jan 28, 2007 8:30 am) m1miata (Jan 29, 2007 7:29 pm)
#131 of 231 Re: The question is..... [albook] by mako1a Jan 28, 2007 (8:30 am)
Replying to: albook (Jan 27, 2007 8:08 pm) I agree. Manufacturers have forgotten that good looking with power sells. A powerful car that looks like an econobox doesn't sell (GTO 2004-2006 RIP) Too many cars with potential have been overlooked as power option cars. Even the Ford 500 would have sold if it had a small V8 in it. But alas it turned into an old folks car with no resale. Chevy had the Impala or Malibu (I don't pay that much attention to these blase' cars) then put front wheel drive in them. What were they thinking? I am so tired of waiting for the new Camaro I built my own. 91 Z28 convertible. Went to speed shop and said I want a race car with license plates. He said how much $$? I said $6k and we'll see what we have. Well $10k later I have a really nice Camaro. Why did GM fall on it's face with the Camaro? They were excellent. SS had power, they all had handling. I bought a Toyota for daily driving. Boring! I sure miss the 60's when you could get a 427 in a Camaro just by checking the box. Engineers have gotten too finnicky (sp). Looks and power. Are you listening GM? Build me a car before I plotz.
#132 of 231 Re: The question is..... [albook] by m1miata Jan 29, 2007 (7:29 pm)
Replying to: albook (Jan 27, 2007 8:08 pm) Polls are interesting. People tend to not always follow up with actions which support there polled selections. I am sure a coupe, as good looking as the Concept Solstice Coupe would indeed sell like hotcakes. It is simply a beauty. That said, one problem could be the bathtub view. I see the Solstice has such a seating position. The Crossfire would have sold if you did not feel so confined inside and could see out of the dang thing. If the Solstice Coupe has too many blind spots, it could fail to sell.   As for the Camaro, it should sell well. I personally am not a fan of too tall doors, but overall do like the look of the New Camaro. If I happen some day to live in a town with wide streets and wide parking spots, I may consider a New Camaro. And by 2008 we will know more of the fate of GM. As for 2007 it is a G6 or a Monte, if ya want a GM coupe.   As the 2009 models hit the showrooms, I would say there should be three interesting pony cars. The Mustang will get some needed face-lifts and tweaks to style and engines by that year, the Challenger is gonna take the prize for replicar look of '09, and the Camaro, if like the show car looks pretty promising. -Loren

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