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Re: The question is..... [drfill] by kolega
Jan 07, 2007 (9:07 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 06, 2007 9:52 pm)

You can aways count on Detroit do mess up the concept.
The Mustang concept was great. I would've spend $50k for it. Fot the production Mustang - I wouldn't be caught dead in.
 
My guess is that the new Camaro will also be a great addition to the ren-a-car fleet....
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Get Real by texastang
Jan 08, 2007 (8:49 am)
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Come on DrFill, get off the Crack and on to reality. If the Camero were such a winner, why did GM stop production? The answer is simple. It was a sales dog. Few people were buying it, not young or old.
 
Contrast that with the yearly sales for the New Mustang. In the years 05 & 06, the numbers are in the range of 150,000 plus. By the time GM gets the Camero for sale in 2009, the New Mustang will have been out there for 4 years and will have over 600,000 on the road.
 
The Camero will have to compete against a product that defined the term Pony Car, is a mature product, and a proven sales leader. Why would anyone want to buy a copy of the real thing? (Would you would buy a Kia, if they claimed to make Pony Cars, too?) The Camero will be a tough sell in 2009, since the Mustang has established itself and defined the car category, compound that with the fact that the Challenger is a much better looking car. The Camero will end up as it always has, in the shadow of the Mustang.
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2009 Camaro by brian1962
Jan 09, 2007 (4:32 pm)
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Does anyone know if the 2009 Camaro is going to come in Z28?
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Re: Camaro \ C6 Drivetrain(s) [rorr] by rayainsw
Jan 12, 2007 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: rorr (Nov 10, 2006 1:12 pm)

"The transmission is too costly for a Pony car."
  
"Excellent point. Doesn't the C6 use a transaxle? No way GM would be offering a transaxle in what should be (at least nominally) a 4 seat vehicle."
 
 = = =
 
The C6 ( my daily driver is a 2007 ) has the transmission mounted in the rear – and co-located with the differential.
 
It is not, however, [ strictly speaking ] a transaxle. They are separate units. Other GM vehicles using versions of this transmission ( including the 2007 Caddy STS V8s ) mount it immediately behind the motor.
 
The issues here ( in my opinion ) are that the 6L80 six speed automatic ( as in my C6 ) is a rather expensive and fairly heavy item. The Tremec T56 manual six speed transmission is robust, but has issues as well . . .
 
If a six speed automatic is deemed necessary, the version of the automatic in the 2007 Caddy STS V8s ( 6L50 ) might be a candidate for something less powerful that a 400 \ 400 LS2 motor.
 
The other issue is that the C6 has an IRS – again complex & expensive. I am not convinced that this will even be optional on the Camaro.
 
I’d have looked far more seriously at the Mustang GT, if an IRS ( and any sort of manumatic shifting ) had been available. . .
 
- Ray
Happy C6 driver!
 
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http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07car.htm
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Rumors... by readerreader
Jan 12, 2007 (2:56 pm)
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"Zeta is a very versatile architecture. The front axle centerline on the Camaro is about 50mm further forward than it is on the Holden Commodore (and therefore the Pontiac G8, the lightly made-over Commodore sedan that will debut at the Chicago Show next month). The reason for this expensive change is that it allows the Camaro - and the Impala - to run 20-inch wheels without compromising steering lock. In fact, says one Holden source, 24s will fit.
 
Both the Camaro coupe and convertible concept are therefore very close to the production versions, say GM insiders. The roof of the coupe will be raised about 15mm for production, and the bodysides will be pulled in 5-10mm. But that's about it. What you see here at Detroit is basically what you're going to get in Chevy showrooms in 2009.
 
Cost has been a major issue for Camaro. But GM sources say entry level versions will retail from about $21,000. That's because they will use the cheap-to-build pushrod 3.9-liter V-6 as the entry level engine. Insiders say Tom Stephens' team at GM Powertrain has been working flat out to improve the refinement of the 3.9. Mated with the six speed - manual or automatic - it should be a much smoother package than the truck-like 4.0-liter V-6 that powers base Mustangs."
 
http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0702_2009_chevrolet_camaro-
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More Camaro pics by readerreader
Jan 12, 2007 (3:01 pm)
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From: http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/
 
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Jan 20, 2007 (11:45 pm)
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Re: The question is..... [drfill] by m1miata
Jan 27, 2007 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 06, 2007 9:52 pm)

The two cars represent the same time period. The New Camaro does look a lot like the original, which was one of Detroits most beautiful cars ever produced. The Mustang looked great too, back in '67. It was more aggressive in nature, and the Camaro was more flowing lines. If they could scale down the New Camaro, I might be interested. Really now, the 79" plus width makes her a bit fat and hard to slot around towns with narrow streets. Suppose to be a Pony car, and not a Clydesdale.
 
GM missed the boat when they did not introduce the Solstice Coupe. With the 3.6 V6, it would have had potential.
 
Loren
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Re: The question is..... [drfill] by albook
Jan 27, 2007 (8:04 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 06, 2007 9:52 pm)

ME!
 THe Comaro still looks awkward to me. But the convertible makes it look a little better. I'm not gonna lie- THe Mustang GT is off the chain! We need not even discuss that cobra!!!!!!
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Re: The question is..... [m1miata] by albook
Jan 27, 2007 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jan 27, 2007 9:37 am)

GM missed the boat when they did not introduce the Solstice Coupe. With the 3.6 V6, it would have had potential.
Not completely true. A poll showed that people would rather have the convertible over the coupe. And from the race hardtop version (500hp) I've seen, It might look awkward.

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