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#1 of 231 Future Chevrolet Camaro
Jan 09, 2006 (2:28 pm)
Chevrolet killed the Camaro in 2002. For 2006 they've unveiled a pretty good looking concept, for the most part.
They haven't confirmed it will be going into production, but I think it is very likely considering that Ford already has the Mustang and the new GT500, and Dodge has just unveiled a Challenger that will most definitely make production.
The Camaro's concept got plenty of power, 6 speed manual with small block V8 putting out 400hp.
The interior looks pretty retro overall but some design elements probably wont make production.
I like the looks of this car but I've been hearing some talk about smoothing out the grille and other modifications to the design. I like it yet I like the Challenger and Mustang more.
Overall I'd say this is a very solid effort from Chevy. This car could really spark interest in Chevrolet proving that they can build exciting cars every now and then.
Check these out.
Camaro pictures and information.
Camaro unveiling video.
The first photos.
Let the muscle car wars begin!
Jan 09, 2006 (2:54 pm)
Chevy couldn't stay out of it for too long. This Camaro looks like it's worth waiting for. It looks like it'll blow the doors off of the Mustang....
#3 of 231 Future Camaro
Jan 09, 2006 (10:26 pm)
Although I think this Camaro needs a couple of modifications,it's gonna be HOT -no matter what!!!!!!
#4 of 231 Re: Amazing. [chris65amg]
Jan 10, 2006 (8:05 am)
"It looks like it'll blow the doors off of the Mustang...."
Styling (with the exception of the nose) looks 'right' to my eyes.
But I see NO WAY that GM can build this car, with an aluminum 400hp LS2, IRS, and 6M for less than $30k.
What killed the last F-bodies was NOT a lack of performance. Partly what killed them was the cost. GM would do fine with their 5.3l V8 as the 'standard' V8 and a 5M to keep the base V8 cost at around $25-26k.
Leave the LS2 for a future SS edition. And maybe some enterprising 'Yenko' type dealer can talk GM into a few Z06 editions....
#5 of 231 Re: Amazing. [rorr]
Jan 10, 2006 (9:35 am)
Well obviously they can't sell it that cheap. Maybe $35K. But the new Challenger isn't going to be cheap either. I've heard speculation hovering around the $35K mark, because that is the base price for a SRT8 Charger which has the same 425 HEMI. Some are saying a fully loaded Challenger could be upto $40K.
But I dont think price will stop die hard Camaro fans.
I guess at the end of the day the Mustang stands out as the real value, albeit with less power, only 300hp for less than $30K. But even it's 450hp cousin the GT500 will be $40K.
Essentially there is no way for the Big 3 to sell +400hp muscle cars at $30K. The Mustang has 300hp so that's why it's cheap.
#6 of 231 Re: Amazing. [navigator89]
Jan 10, 2006 (10:45 am)
"But I dont think price will stop die hard Camaro fans." Maybe the ultimate fans, but not nearly enough to be profitable for GM, and at the end of the day, profit is what it is all about.
It's my opinion, but there will be very few people who will pay $35k for a 2 door rwd v-8 coupe. Don't get me wrong, I love the concept, but the reality is, not many people who can afford this, will buy it. It is a niche vehicle, and when the price spars past $30k, it becomes even more of a niche. Now around $22k - $26k, then you have a lot more potential buyers.
I agree with Rorr, put in the 5.3, and leave the 6.0 for future models or Yenko tuners. I think the 3.9 with a turbo or supercharge would also be a viable alternative.
No matter what, Camaro's have always been about performance and value, and they are not mutually exclusive. If the Camro can't compete price wise with the 300 hp Mustang, that extra 100 hp may make it faster, but it will lose a lot in sales.
If they want to get an edge, make an awd Camaro. Those of us in the snow belt would really be interested then. True, that goes against the original, but so do airbags, and ABS and most of us (I know not all) believe those are important items to have too. I think the IRS is a good move on their part, but I would rather less and not have it - or have the option if that was possible. Lack of an IRS doesn't seem to be hurting Mustang sales I don't think.
#8 of 231 Re: The making of the Camaro Concept [navigator89]
Jan 14, 2006 (6:37 am)
If that comes to production, it will give the Mustang a run for its money. I think it is much nicer looking. I wouldn't mine owning one!!
#10 of 231 Re: To Mike from Scarborough RE: your POS opinion of the new camaro [cateye
Jan 16, 2006 (9:35 am)
First of all, welcome to Edmunds. But there's no need to be rude just to stir the pudding.
Second, who in the heck is Mike from Scarborough? If you want to reply to someone, there's a nice little 'reply' option next to each post. It works great and can cut down on the confusion.
Third, I'll agree that for the last few years, the Mustang certainly hasn't been in the same ball park (ie. graveyard of failed models). And for several years prior to that, it certainly wasn't in the same low-selling ballpark as the Camaro (more than double Camaro/Firebird sales combined). I'm fairly certain FoMoCo didn't want to be in that particular ball park.
But even if you only look at performance, the Mustang has been pretty much in the same ballpark as the Camaro for most of their history which is one reason why the rivalry has been so entertaining for nearly 40 years.
And fourth, I think it's just a tad bit early to start comparing the two since all we've seen to this point on the Camaro is a concept. We have no idea if the LS2, 6sp, IRS, etc. will actually make production and, if they do, where the MSRP might be.
Which brings me to a question for the forum: can the Camaro compete with the Mustang on roughly equal performance footing (approx. 300hp/5sp manual in a 3500lb package for a base of $25k) OR must the Camaro offer superior performance to sell in large numbers?
The reason I ask is because the previous generation F-bodies had superior performance but there was a price to be paid; either in a higher MSRP or perceived reliability/quality issues, insurance cost, etc. Does GM run the risk of deja vu all over again if they go for the big 6.0l guns right out of the box?