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#8 of 2770 Re: How does the new CTS add to the mix? [logic1] by gregg_vw Jan 09, 2006 (9:44 am)
Replying to: logic1 (Jan 09, 2006 9:01 am) I doubt the MKS is aimed at the CTS. It's size indicates it is more an STS or DTS competitor. Lincoln needs a new LS/CTS sized sedan. Perhaps that will be the second one they are designing off the D3 architecture? Replies to this message: logic1 (Jan 09, 2006 10:31 am)
#9 of 2770 Re: How does the new CTS add to the mix? [gregg_vw] by logic1 Jan 09, 2006 (10:31 am)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 09, 2006 9:44 am) I hope so.   That is what I cannot figure out.   The Zephyr is definitely not in the same league the LS plays in. The MKS seems too big and heavy to truly carry the mantle.   Is Ford surrendering this part of the market, or does it have something new up its sleeve?
#10 of 2770 MKS by ANT14 Jan 09, 2006 (12:08 pm)
Well that's a loaded question. Originally the LS and CTS battled the "Entry luxury" segment, which ideally were direct competitors. Both entry sedans to luxury domestic makers, with European dynamics.   Ford repositioned the LS above the Zephyr, so if you wish to call the Zephyr the direct competitor to CTS, it actually is in segment and price. Although it's different markets/demographics which each is targeting. So you may do with that information as you wish.   The MKS in ideology is really the replacement to the LS, BUT it's mission is a bit different, and placed above the Zephyr in segment and pricing.   The MKS will very much be a great handler, don't let the AWD or exterior size fool you. And the even larger sedan, has yet to be released... Replies to this message: logic1 (Jan 09, 2006 6:36 pm)
#11 of 2770 Specs... by laxman Jan 09, 2006 (2:47 pm)
Any comparison specs for the Mark S? As you stated the MKS is the "replacement" for the LS. Which models are they competing with?   So when will we see the longer version? I have a feeling it will be called the MKC. Tag line: "Just because we call it the "Continental" doesn't mean you can't drive it all over the world." ANT14, you think Lincoln could use that in a commercial? Probably sounds to much like a Lexus commercial   I like the name. A page from ANT14's script style   Buddy: What car is that? Me: It's a Mark S Buddy: Lincoln is it? Me: Yep Buddy: I use to have a Mark VII. Boy that thing could get up and go. Me: I guess it is like what Ford did with the T-Bird. A new take on old legend.
#12 of 2770 Re: MKS [ANT14] by logic1 Jan 09, 2006 (6:36 pm)
Replying to: ANT14 (Jan 09, 2006 12:08 pm) You may some pretty good points.   Things are changing at Lincoln, that is for sure. The MKS concept is interesting enough to keep me waiting to see how it works out.
#13 of 2770 Typo Alert by logic1 Jan 09, 2006 (7:21 pm)
I posted: You may some pretty good points   Originally wrote: you may have a pretty good point. Meant to edit as you make some pretty good points. Oh well
#14 of 2770 Laxman by ANT14 Jan 09, 2006 (7:57 pm)
Specs here... LINK
#15 of 2770 Details Details..... by brucelinc Jan 10, 2006 (5:33 am)
Notice the low RPM at which this version of the 4.4 develops its power - if correct, the tuning must be quite a bit different from version used in the Volvo X90.   Chassis tuning will be a critical component in whether the MKS finds a home in my garage. I hope they don't go all-out hard-edged "sport" sedan with this - yet certainly not blue-hair soft either. I have always thought the ride/handling balance of the non-sport LS was perfect for the potholed streets and expansion joint filled freeways here in Minneapolis. Will we be looking at standard (fairly compliant) and optional "sport" suspension versions of the MKS?   Also, they will need to pay attention to road and wind noise isolation. How about Lexus levels of quiet yet with just enough induction and exhaust rumble under acceleration to make it interesting?   Lastly, I really hope they sweat some of the details. If I open the hood and am greeted by a prop-rod, I will be tempted to jerk out the rod and beat someone with it. Replies to this message: anythngbutgm (Jan 10, 2006 9:09 am) brucelinc (Jan 10, 2006 12:27 pm) gregg_vw (Jan 10, 2006 1:49 pm) and 2 more...
#16 of 2770 Re: Details Details..... [brucelinc] by anythngbutgm Jan 10, 2006 (9:09 am)
Replying to: brucelinc (Jan 10, 2006 5:33 am) "Lastly, I really hope they sweat some of the details. If I open the hood and am greeted by a prop-rod, I will be tempted to jerk out the rod and beat someone with it."   Too funny . Would like to see Lincoln offer up this new ride in a "one size fits all" package like Acura does. Make NAV and RES separate entities on the checkoff sheet, but make Leather seating, HIDS, Premium Sound, TCS, VSC, all the goodies STANDARD across the board. It really helps the image as a Premium nameplate. A coupe and Conv. option should be in the works to keep the momentum, and don't let this one languish on the lots unchanged (and unmarketed ) like the outgoing LS!   Customer doesn't want all those goodies can fall back on the Mercury Montego or 500. Replies to this message: brucelinc (Jan 10, 2006 12:27 pm) gregg_vw (Jan 10, 2006 1:49 pm) brucelinc (Jan 11, 2006 5:54 am) and 1 more...
#17 of 2770 A: by ANT14 Jan 10, 2006 (11:54 am)
The drivability of the vehicle will be LS sporty, but (for those with the optional 17inch wheels on the LS), less "noise" or vibration when hitting potholes. You know you hit it, but not be as aware as you are with the LS. At least, that has been my experience.   And the interior will be much quieter than that of the LS. Which in turn, some of the interior materials will require re-thinking, since some resonate sounds, more than others. It's amazing how something as the materials, can contribute to overall noise.

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