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Lincoln MKS, Sedan
#2919 of 2971 I miss these features in our '11 MKS
Nov 26, 2012 (12:03 pm)
1. Cornering lights
2. Pull down (non plastic) trunk lid
3. Light under the hood
4. Rear air shocks
5. Sound of the V8
However, I appreciate
1. Ecoboost engine performance
3. Superior sound system
4. Backup camera
5. Self parking feature
6. Paddle shifter
7. Adaptive Cruise
8. More comfortable front seats
#2920 of 2971 Re: I miss these features in our '11 MKS [euphonium]
Nov 26, 2012 (3:47 pm)
Oh, how do you feel about the minor stuff such as road feel ,handling, and breaking?
#2921 of 2971 Re: I miss these features in our '11 MKS [edward53]
Nov 26, 2012 (6:27 pm)
How do you feel about spelling?
#2922 of 2971 Re: I miss these features in our '11 MKS [akirby]
Nov 27, 2012 (2:15 am)
Typo on misspelling braking is my part . But again I don't need to hear from Ford's peanut gallery. Meanwhile you can continue with your delusion that any Ford based Lincoln is comparable in performance to Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Cadillac, Lexus, Infiniti , Buick, Chevrolet Impala and yet to be introduced rwd Caprice SS, and Hyundai's premium models. In fact, I read in Motor Trend today that the 2013 Fusion's handling is not as composed as the that of the model it's replacing. The testers found its handling to be retrograde as compared to the 2012 Fusion. But again, only Ford can make the old better than the new. The 2013 Fusion's platform is just another one in a long line of Ford's better cheaper ideas. What a Joke. That can only portend bad things for the 2013 Ford based Lincoln MKZ as well as all future Lincolns that will eventually share the same platform. Performance problems with this platform is probably the reason that the 2013 MKZ is not yet in show rooms. The suspicion is is that Ford is probably trying to mask the platform's design flaws before letting the automotive press put the MKZ through the wringer. It won't matter though because the problem is with the platform and no amount of suspension tuning is going to change that. All its problems will become apparent when pushed really hard when tested against its competitors in the premium field. I suspect if the Lincoln is pitted against another premium brand the premium brand will handle like a premium brand and The Lincoln will handle like a Ford on which it is based. If this is the best that Ford can offer with Lincoln, than woe is Lincoln. Just put a stake in its heart and call it dead.
#2923 of 2971 P.S. Ford and Lincoln
Nov 27, 2012 (2:26 am)
My ambition is to make all of Ford's marketing folks and their associates to defend Ford and Lincoln when I offer sound criticism of Ford or Lincoln.
#2924 of 2971 Re: I miss these features in our '11 MKS [edward53]
Nov 27, 2012 (4:04 am)
#2925 of 2971 Re: Brakes! [e_net_rider]
Nov 27, 2012 (4:58 am)
Mine was a 2009 and when you said Chinese bearings, that explained everything as clear as a bell. In the paint area, you could see in the inside of all the doors where the color faded to the grey undercoat and then to the metal itself. That was just a workmanship issue there no matter by human or robot with a bad configuration file.
Heating Element I agree on, but I will say if it was to become such an issue, don't offer it. I have to wonder why does Ford do their tests (if they really do them) in such controlled cushy environments only later to learn how much a piece of crap their vehicles over all are in the real world. I guest I am asking a question to where I already know the answer, like my wife says, "It's the money honey".
Moon Roof, again agree. I guess I was not upset with the CTS coupe moon roof just going up to vent and back down. Due to the design (which I love) the moon roof can't slide back into the roof, just vent. That was fine with me. Transmission leak, only had 27,000 miles when that happened. Pet Boys discovered it during an oil change. That was when I decided to get rid of it. Steering column motor went out so the tilt would not hold. It was a job just to get it to the dealership. The speaker system was ok when you did not hear any rattling going on, hence the extra insulation. On my CTS, I crank those BOSE up and the only rattling I hear are my ear drums, sweet. There is no one car company out there that has a system that works the way I want. They all have problems and My CTS is no exception. In most cases it is a feature I like in one that is missing in the other. I later learned that much of the CTS systems is in the voice. Rather than you looking on the screen to see traffic problems, the CTS tells you and with the push of a button can perform a reroute. Let me comment on the seats as I can see some talk about them. Yes I agree the seats are softer in the Lincoln than in the CTS. I have also learned that softness comes with a price. In order for them to be softer, the material has to be thinner, which means subject to quicker wear-outs as I learned with my MKZ. It had the softest seats, but when it was time to turn it in, the wear was obvious. I have a Sonata and the CTS with both having firm seats. I will admit I have cushions in both that compensate well but I have not taken a long trip in them yet. I guess like a pair of shoes, gotta break them in heh?
#2926 of 2971 Re: Brakes! [datagen]
Nov 27, 2012 (6:57 am)
I had a 96 Olds Aurora with Bose and passed it on in 2009. Speakers were still fantastic, except weak on the bass end.
If your CTS is similar to 11 Lacrosse seats, you will start to feel every bit of hardware under the padding in time. A Fusion I test drove a couple of years back also had bad seats. Dealer Demo with only about 5K on it and those seats in my opinion were shot. At 28K, MKS, padding is many times better than Lacrosse at 12K, which is why I said I might replace it when it gets bad. Pro reviewers were spot on about the comfort level as luxury moved to cooled seats. I suspect the problem is finding a medium for use as the padding that does not block the air flow. Maybe GM and Chrysler will do better if they re-invent again.
With available time, and not driving but a little, I've yet to take in with brake issue. Nearing time for oil change, and getting 1 to 2 PSI leak fixed is a must. A darned nuisance since it changes the handling.
And now besides the brakes, a handling issue is popping. As in something loose in steering/suspension. It showed up in a definable way when braking, something I'd already been tuned in to because of that issue. Sometimes, when first applying brake, it does a little zig to the left. (could be braking) But as that continued, on several occasions I felt a simultaneous bump at the steering wheel, as in something being loose. I suspect it is coming from R Front. And I recall hearing a bit of a strange sound like a bearing whine the other day. It stopped by time I turned radio down.
The movements that occur with road tiny bumps and steering make me think Ford designed their suspension system to burn off the kinetic energy generated via lateral movements of the vehicle. Not inspiring to say at minimum but likely dangerous if such action is happening when contacting slippery surfaces. That motion could break traction or would be the equivalent of applying brakes when you are freely sliding on ice or snow.
I'm hoping it is just a case of something coming loose.
And then sometimes when exiting the vehicle, the steering wheel does not move up?
And the other day, the right rear door did not unlock when parked. Since passenger may have been pulling handle before parked I will have to watch and see on that one.
#2927 of 2971 Re: I miss these features in our '11 MKS [edward53]
Nov 27, 2012 (9:56 am)
Where did you see that the 2013 Fusion doesn't handle well? This is what Car and Driver said and they're usually the most critical about this:
The mood improves by measures once you start driving, though. The brakes are strong, the structure is stiff, and response to steering input is immediate. The suspension keeps body motions and head toss to a minimum even during spirited driving, and the impression is one of solidity, willingness, and capability. Overall grip levels feel high, too. The car is one of the best to drive in the class, perhaps only trailing the latest Honda Accord in overall goodness
How is that worse than the old model? Add in the MKZ's electronic suspension and it should be even better.
The new MKZ outclasses the new ES350 in all categories and that's the target here, not BMW or MB.
Relative to the current one it should be a big step forward and I would expect the same improvement across the board as the new vehicles roll out.
You don't need a dedicated RWD platform to be a successful luxury brand.
#2928 of 2971 Re: I miss these features in our '11 MKS [edward53]
Nov 27, 2012 (11:50 am)
As I'm not a severe driver, I conclude the road feel, handling, & braking results in a very safe and comfortable motorcar. These three subjective qualities are usually at the mercy of the psuedo & wannabe road racer whose driving skills are below standard expectations for safety.