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Lincoln MKS, Sedan
#2905 of 2980 Handling/steering control
Nov 04, 2012 (1:52 am)
My 2010 MKS definitely does not have the precise tight steering of 2011 Lacrosse CXS with touring pack.
My intent is to improve that. Doing a bit of left-right-left,etc. sway of steering wheel, it also produces an uneven suspension diagonally. L Front to R Rear is the weaker. Normal driving with bump rate on some roads hints of the same. Before setting out on yesterdays drive I checked tires pressures. The R Rear was 1/2 pound low, but the feel is more than that. Will retest after airing up to make sure.
This brings to mind a couple of questions.
Does Lincoln test shipments of struts and shocks and then computer match them per vehicle? I believe I read that was done on Lacrosse. My first thought of that was, "There tolerance of spec is not tight enough to yield consistantly high quality parts." But now wonder if the industry standard is low? Also the question in my mind occured, "What if you needed to replace? Are the new dealer parts boxed and shipped in matched pairs?"
And has anyone tried a different tire on their Lincoln? I wonder if one with the Euro tread designs that were common on Mercedes and some other vehicles would be a suitable replacement?
I may have to consider early tire replacement. Dealer had been using a cleanup service when you take in for service or repair. I don't know what they were spraying on my tires but it has caused checking, small cracks, all over the sidewall and over the shoulder onto the outer rib where it naturally flowed with centrifugal force. I questioned the dealer about it approximately 1000 miles ago and they said they no longer use tire dressing, too expensive. And Michelin says that is normal checking. I wonder of those statements. I had seen used Lincolns about the city lots with same condition on some of them. A 2009 had it so bad the sales said they'd replace the tires. I know there were statements that tire dressings would cause that when such first came available to public. I would have thought that had been cured.
But, the last time they applied I realized there was another major concern. They got overspray all over the brake rotors. That caused poor braking at first. As it cooked, from braking, it changed character of braking again toward grabbing. It took about a 1000 miles of local combined driving before braking returned to near normal. Caution if you use such a product.
Moving the wheel back and forth, I do feel what amounts to a bit of play. Not real loose play, but perhaps joint play between steering and wheel. Tolerable if it does not get worse, but was tighter when newer.
#2906 of 2980 Re: Brakes! [e_net_rider]
Nov 09, 2012 (8:07 pm)
Still hoping to nail the issue better before I nail something unwanted. Issue is still present and the latest not always repeatable is that an attack at the pedal does not give the feel of immediate full braking available (again, a sometimes issue). Pedal can feel hard simultaneously, but move down slowly with pressure. A feel like maybe the booster is not fully functional.
I'm hoping the big Lincoln brand will pick up a few features without having to go big packages to get them. I'm thinking the suspension system could use a good tweak or maybe a step in another direction.
I may have to test drive the latest to see if they ;hit my target.
There are some movements I find undesireable in high end vehicle. Control I believe can be improved upon without sacraficing smooth ride. One system I experienced halves lateral movement to the cabin via plain hardware. With the newer controls enhancement is a certainty.
I'm wanting to test drive with the new 3.7 as well. Mileage is supposed to be up and hopefully the upped power will feel more adequate. I've been noticing that my 3.7 feels amazingly smooth and wonder if someone might ask, "Does this have a V8?" But with the power at current compared to others, maybe not.
I like the AWD idea, but not as it is packaged in MKS. Big price jump along with fuel consumption to get with options I'd want.
#2907 of 2980 Re: Handling/steering control [e_net_rider]
Nov 13, 2012 (1:18 pm)
Since you seem not to be very happy with your MKS, trade it in for Cadillac XTS. It will handle better without the torque steer that the MKS has without AWD. The only difference between Buick and XTS besides price is name and interior. So, if interior appointments or brand name are not that important, go with the Buick.
#2908 of 2980 Re: Brakes! [e_net_rider]
Nov 14, 2012 (2:54 am)
I agree with Edwards53, try a caddy. I did and it was a good move for me. The MKS burnt me bad. Much worst than you with the following problems:
Wheel bearings went out
2nd rate painting within the doors and interior
Seat heating element went out
Moon roof stop working
Steering (tilt) column went out
Rear speakers required more installation
Sync stopped working
This is what you call a variable lemon. No one thing to concentrate on, just a bunch a other things that can drive you batty. Yes they fixed everything, but by that time I am burnt out. They did not reimburse me for my time and with all of that, I just lost the trust of the vehicle.
On the other hand my CTS is great. No issues and I wrote a test drive paper on it if you are interested. Billsommerville.com click on current projects. It is project 8 and click on Test Drive. It is a PDF paper that explains what I discovered.
Ford has admitted that they still have a ways to go in the quality arena when it comes to high end vehicles. Cadillac is taking on the Europeans and this time, they are not laughing.
#2909 of 2980 Re: Handling/steering control [edward53]
Nov 14, 2012 (3:58 am)
Not very happy? There are degrees of happy and at least I can say I am not "very un-happy", as I was with my last two GM purchases. I had checked a '12 Caddy and decided the seats in it were very much like the '11 Lacrosse. Too damn hard for a long comfortable ride. At 26K on MKS, seats are far more comfortable than GM's I experienced with 10K. Yes they are showing a bit of aging in the padding, only noticeable by comparing passenger seat, not used much, to driver seat. But enough that I'd consider changing the padding in the future.
Also I'd appreciate a little more bolster in the seat backs and then there is the horrible headrests resulting from NHTSA ruling around 2009. When the seat is adjusted to give proper posture the headrest frequently bumps the back of my head resulting in neck pain. Something I wish I could find a solution or redesign to. Maybe the automatic headrests would have been a better solution, although NHTSA went so far as to originally say, "Not our way, don't build."
And since I'm on the seat subject, I'm beginning to believe I have a lumbar leak down issue. And as a starting point, I do not like the single control to what I'm told is actually two bags. I would have bet otherwise on the lacrosse. Maybe it was poor padding, but it felt more like there was a mechanical arm with a roller moving about in the seat. Result being a single pressure point on spine instead of what I had always been able to acheive with the two bags, two controls system. That would be a more fluid curvature of support to my spine. That alone would be an issue, but it also had a problem, leaking down. Dealer was not able to nail the issue. It was too erratic. Sometimes it would deflate in about 3 seconds. Then maybe 20 minutes, or maybe overnight. That made it impossible to tweak for best comfort. Sadly, leak down is now showing up in the MKS. Nothing rapid yet, but overnight or an hour. Fortunately, so far it only requires pumping back out, unlike the Buick that seemed to often lose all sense of position. It is something I will watch more closely because I often don't notice it when I start out. When my back starts aching, that is when I might realize the support is gone.
#2910 of 2980 Re: Brakes! [datagen]
Nov 14, 2012 (5:08 am)
What year was yours? About 3 to 5 years back, bearings of all types seemed to be a major issue. Chinese bearings. It was especially obvious in aftermarket where big name auto parts retailers had cut warranty to 30 and 90 days. You definitely had to check for better choices. Even NAPPA had some. Two outlets had bearings that showed obvious reason for short life. The seals actually had a gap at the race seal point. No feathered edge or garter spring to maintain seal.
Regardless, bearing should not be an issue on vehicle without lots of miles or abuse.
Paint? I perceive it not as well as maybe it should be. I have a place where paint chipped off. Part was obviously hung while painting and formed a drip glob which has broken off. Can I say, "poor professionalism" when it was likely done by a robot? I glanced at a new one the last time at dealer. Supposed to be a metallic red per sticker. In bright sun there was no hint of any metal-flake what-so-ever. I ask, "How did that get out of the factory?"
Heating element. Something that requires a good bit of thought/engineering expertise to get it right. Has to be highly flexible, sustain what would be abuse in most other heating applications, and not leave a brand mark on your back side.
Moon roof. Part of the reason I don't want one. Problematic in many ways and definitely not maintenance free. I'd say regardless of brand there are far more important features requiring attention to design & function.
Transmission leaking? That sounds potentially serious. And probably falls under that, "don't worry, it's warranteed." Or, hard to make things idiot proof.
Steering column? What, the motor? Or something else? The manual lock on lacrosse would not lock resulting in column change. New column or workmanship resulted in enough steering play that road imperfections could dart me across road striping and almost resulted in accident.
Rear speakers? I'd like to know more because I like quality reproduction of music. And GM definitely had poor design issues in that area. Speakers seemed to be low quality on the Harmon_Kardon top system and they employed the old trick of using trunk cavity to boost bass, which in reality most often boosts distortion and channel crosstalk.
Oh NO! NO SYNC. I can say that so far the system is fully functional as designed. Definitely not so for GM on '11 lacrosse, to the point the only hope is they 'might' recognize a problem and swap the whole unit. GM forums are full of "I had to pull over and restart" to regain functionality.
Nov 19, 2012 (5:06 pm)
A reporter would like to speak to car owners who use Chrysler Uconnect, Cadillac CUE or Ford's MyFord/MyLincoln Touch. If you use any of these telematics systems, please send your daytime contact information to predmunds.com no later than November 20, 2012 at 1 p.m. PT/4 p.m. ET.
Nov 20, 2012 (3:42 pm)
I'm a petite mom of two boys looking for a nice comfortable car to cruise around town in while doing typical mom stuff, and after scrutinizing every car available, I think this is the car for me. I understand why the reviews criticize this car, but most of their negatives are plusses from my point of view. I like a drivers seat that fits me. I want a lot of room in my car. I want it to have power, but I don't plan on driving the autobahn; I need to be able to merge onto the highway, but once I'm there, I don't plan on driving crazy. MyLincolnTouch is the first tech-y instrument panel that makes logical sense to me and is also aesthetically pleasing.
By the way, I'm replacing a 2008 CTS that I love, but is a bit on the smallish side now that my kids are growing up. I wanted SOOOOOO much to like the XTS, but after driving it, there are too many things I hate about it, the most prominent being that it feels like you're riding a bicycle in a fat suit. The CUE system is awful, and the smudgy screen doesn't even look good in the showroom. I gave the ATS a try as well, and if I was looking to pay more for a smaller car than I did for my XTS and not even have as much power, well then I suppose it might make sense. Would have loved to have driven the 2.0L Turbo, but guess what - it's not available yet, and none of the reviews out here mention that. I get that I'm just a mom, but puleeze folks...we're not brain-dead. Don't even get me talking about Buicks...they are so overpriced. I've had my GM Mastercard since 1992 and I'm afraid I'm going to have to ditch it because GM doesn't make a car I want to buy.
BMWs, Audis, and Acuras aren't feminine enough for me. They aren't at all luxurious with all their hard black plastic dashes and ugly seats. And they ride roughly too. The A/C in the BMWs and Audis take an unacceptably long time to cool down the car in the Texas summer heat, which is a total deal-breaker.
Lexus is just weird these days. I had an ES 300 before my CTS, and it was a nice, comfortable, boring car. Now the dash is just messed up. The GS dash is worse. The LS is too pricey compared to the Lincoln.
I'm totally perplexed by the ratings given by ConsumerReports.org. I'm not sure what they're smoking over there - is the HQ in Colorado???
No one seems to be talking about how bad the customer service has gotten for the luxury car brands AFTER the sale. They ask you how far you're going to drive and to put gas in it when you return. Often they don't even put you in a luxury loaner...they send you over to Enterprise! That is NOT why I pay a premium price for my cars.
Volvo's S60 is a nice little car for the $$$, but I like the Lincoln better. That would be a smarter purchase from a depreciation/resale standpoint, but I'm going to buy the Lincoln MKS because I like it better.
It's a little scary buying a car no one else seems to want to buy, but I've always marched to the beat of my own drum...
Now, I'm bracing myself for any comments that follow. Let's keep it constructive, folks.
#2914 of 2980 Re: I like the new 2013 MKS [hey_tinkerbell]
Nov 21, 2012 (7:12 am)
Love your attitude, tinkerbell! You don't have to justify your car-buying decisions to anyone.
Based on your post, I think you will be quite happy with the 2013 MKS. I have a 2010 and have never regretted my purchase - in fact driving to and from work is often the best part of my day. The 2013 is much improved - better brakes, adjustable suspension, more sound insulation, better trunk access, etc.
Most people who bash the MKS have either never driven one at all - especially a 2013 - or they had issues with a 2009 model. Yes, some 2009s had issues - all correctable - but issues to be sure.
Really the only reason I chose not to replace my 2010 with a 2013 is that I think the control layout and user interface with MyLincoln Touch is a step backward from the regular Sync/Nav system and combination of touch-screen, knobs and voice commands of the earlier models.
Enjoy your purchase.