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Replying to: bdyment (Aug 14, 2009 4:15 am) Anyway, I was worried that a 4400 pound car with a little 6 cylinder engine would be awfully slow. I travel between Minneapolis and Des Moines fairly often and the minimum speed is 40 MPH on the Interstate 35. I think the MKS will be capable of maintaining that. That is really all I care about.
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Replying to: brucelinc (Aug 14, 2009 4:36 am) You truly must be putting us on. You couldn't know this little about the car you are buying.
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Replying to: bdyment (Aug 14, 2009 5:51 am) 
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Replying to: akirby (Aug 14, 2009 6:11 am) 
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Replying to: brucelinc (Aug 14, 2009 6:24 am) 
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Replying to: brucelinc (Aug 14, 2009 6:20 am)
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Replying to: bdyment (Aug 14, 2009 10:08 am) Other than a very slight lag just off idle, the car feels like it has a large displacement V8. Lots of torque down low and very smooth. There is very little sound from the engine - even at wide open throttle. There is much less engine sound than I recall from the 3.7 MKS and much less than my wife's Taurus. If you are looking for a scream like an Indy car or a rumble like a NASCAR stocker, you will be disappointed. The transmission is extremely smooth. Whether using just "D" or the paddle shifters, I could barely feel the shifts and since the engine is so quiet I could barely hear the shifts either. On one occasion, I hit the rev limiter because I was too slow in shifting from 1st to 2nd. I was attempting to shift by sound rather than looking at the tach. Problem was there isn't much sound! Truth be told, if I hadn't read all of the published tests with the sub 6 second 0-60 times, I would not have believed that it was that quick. The speedometer zings up the dial quickly but there is not much sensation of fast acceleration. The car is very high geared to achieve the 25 MPG highway rating. That also keeps it exceptionally quiet at cruise. One nice thing about all the torque is that it will accelerate pretty nicely without a downshift and without the transmission hunting for the right gear. I really think this is the perfect engine for the MKS and if anyone passed on the 2009 because it didn't have a V8, they should give the ecoboost a try. I think they will forget all about the need for a V8. It gives up nothing in smoothness, power, quiet or refinement. I admit that it does not sound as cool as a high revving V8. I think the pros outweight the cons, though.
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Replying to: brucelinc (Aug 14, 2009 11:47 am) I have VERY good things to report (in addition to the standard fare associated with Ford's ethos or the current MKS iteration). The EcoBoost is a tremendous powerplant; and in a comparably-sized and weighted vehicle, it's a true performer. The steady rush of power throughout the rev range is much more akin to riding a wave than a kick in the backside, and it makes the vehicle deceptively fast. The 2010 MKS has been improved; and as previously noted, the suspension seems to be more taut and responsive without loosing the feel that's decidedly favors luxury over performance. Cabin noise too has been mitigated, and it's apparent the lessons Ford learned with their silencing exercise in the Flex have carried forward in a manner that makes a tangible difference. Even though it would have been a clear "me too" effort, I wish Ford would go one step further to exploit the audio system in the manner of a sound silencing headset to dynamically dampen cabin noise as GM has begun doing, especially as it's mostly a "software" product that doesn't add to manufacturing costs. The extent to which it benefits ambient cabin silence is astounding in the form GM has done; and it would truly make the MKS silent. The only concern I have about the MKS with EcoBoost is braking power. The Taurus/MKS is a LOT of vehicular mass; and both the size of the vehicle and nature of the EcoBoost's torque application can be ALARMINGLY deceptive. And while only a fool would try to race-up switchbacks in either a Taurus or MKS, a beefier 4 or 6-piston brake system would seem to be a more natural (and reassuring) alternative, not to mention larger rotors to spread the braking load. I very-much like the 2010's improved 3-gauge instrument cluster and can't wait to try-out Active Park Assist in the MKS when an EB model arrives. It's clear that with all the weight that comes with the MKS, the EB is the engine to have powering it. And driving with the shift paddles is a hoot. My only gripes with the 2010 EB MKS are the often-cited ones. At $54,000 (with Ultimate Package), it's priced at a point well above competitive vehicles. One must buy the MKS (in all flavors) DESPITE its relatively high price, rather than because of it. Also, the spate of high quality used vehicles available now and in the foreseeable future combined with heavily-subsidized recent sales leaves such a large residual delta that leasing an MKS (whose residual is comparatively poorer than most) is often a more expensive proposition than buying one. At the very least, leasing as a more affordable alternative to buying no longer applies. For all the great things the MKS is, it's NOT a $54K vehicle. Furthermore, despite all the terrific technology and some very nice interior appointments, the MKS still has some half-hearted cheapness in many areas. And while it many not detract from the overall driving experience, cheap plastic (especially cheap FEELING plastic) is just something that nobody should find in a $54K car, nor is the sense that any interior component was made to be deliberately inexpensively (like the backseat climate and air vent controls in the center console). Shame on Ford for letting this slip through. This remains a fundamental difference between LM and say VW or Mercedes, whose ethos is simply that nothing in their vehicles will feel cheaply or poorly made rather than spending-up the budget on the biggest attention-getting items, only to have to economize in certain other areas. Why the heck would Ford want to risk anyone shaking their head because the sliding console cover feels like it was made from the tray in a box of gift chocolates? It's these stupid forehead-smacking little details that make me so mad. Also, with all of the great technology for has available, there's no excuse for Lincoln vehicles not to be at least a superset of its Ford/Mercury equivalents. For example, the Active Motion seats in the Taurus are FANTASTIC. That a customer might have to look at both vehicles and think to himself, "You mean I CAN'T get those on the MKS?" Boggles the mind. The same is true of the way the collision avoidance warning portion of the Adaptive Cruise control is implemented. Ford means to tell me that Taurus drivers get a visual warning MKS drivers don't? It's hard to rationalize these things when Ford differentiates its common-platform vehicles less than most other makers. Don't get me wrong. I'm a Ford loyalist, both for the cars it now makes and in principle given the economic realities of the automotive manufacturing marketplace. I simply won't buy a GM, no matter how bloody fantastic the CTS-V may happen to be. I also know that Ford has come an unbelievably long way in a very short time, all without the benefit of a $50B tailwind or debt amnesia. But part and parcel of rebuilding their philosophy from the ground-up HAS to be a best-in-class attention to detail on the small, cheap fixes if they want to sell $54K cars with the "big boys" who don't have negative histories to overcome. Plus, GM may not always may crappy-feeling interiors by comparison forever... The MKS I REALLY want to own is the next version they make. In the meantime, I understand that if I want Ford to survive to produce the next version, I have to be willing to buy the current version until then. And even so, the current MKS is a car that I will undoubtedly enjoy for all the great things it brings to the table. I just look forward to the day when I can make such a sizable purchase and know that I've bought the best-in-class in all respects, and am free from the "tsk, tsk" kind of minutiae altogether.
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Replying to: madlock (Aug 16, 2009 11:42 pm) Please name these competitive vehicles that are priced well below $54K. Don't forget you'll need the V8 versions to get the same power and performance. For example, the Active Motion seats in the Taurus are FANTASTIC. That a customer might have to look at both vehicles and think to himself, "You mean I CAN'T get those on the MKS?" Boggles the mind. The same is true of the way the collision avoidance warning portion of the Adaptive Cruise control is implemented. Ford means to tell me that Taurus drivers get a visual warning MKS drivers don't? It's hard to rationalize these things when Ford differentiates its common-platform vehicles less than most other makers. What you fail to realize is that the Taurus is Ford's first attempt to take the Ford brand upmarket. They'll do the same with Lincoln and the MKS but not right away. It's simply a matter of timing and which brands gets the $$ when. The fact that Ford took the Taurus so far is actually good news for Lincoln fans because it means Lincoln will move even further upmarket (presumably with even better interiors and features) in the next round of updates. The MKS was caught in between and will take another year or two to get up to speed.
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