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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [brucelinc] by dmitrib
Jul 17, 2009 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Jul 17, 2009 4:57 am)

what is ecoboost ?
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2010 MKS enhancements by brucelinc
Jul 18, 2009 (4:54 am)
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Media Ford has some new information about suspension and structural enhancements for the 2010 MKS. Below is an excerpt from the site. Kudos to Ford for taking a 1 year old model and upgrading it already. While the 2009 was smooth and quiet, the 2010 should be even better and more competitive with the prestige nameplates.
 
For 2010, Lincoln MKS was been treated to a ground-up review of its structure in an effort to improve upon its already ouststanding noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) characteristics. Additional bracing and strategically placed sound-deadening materials have produced a new level of cabin isolation, providing MKS drivers with a sense of sanctuary.
 
The structural enhancements have been supplemented by suspension improvements designed to further improve NVH while also enhancing the driving experience when pushed hard. Mounts and bushings have been extensively revised, and spring/shock tuning and front suspension geometry has been reworked to give drivers exceptional handling capabilities in a full-size luxury vehicle.
 
In addition to the refinements found throughout the MKS line, EcoBoost models take the tuning one step further. Larger stabilizer bars front and rear provide flatter cornering characteristics, and an entirely new front subframe aids in further adjustments to the suspension geometry. Combined with dual roll restrictors, the EcoBoost MKS is equipped with handling dynamics perfectly matched to its powerful, responsive engine – without sacrificing the luxurious ride Lincoln owners demand.
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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [dmitrib] by brucelinc
Jul 18, 2009 (5:03 am)
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Replying to: dmitrib (Jul 17, 2009 6:32 pm)

Ecoboost is Ford's name for their engines that feature direct injection and turbocharging. So far, the only ecoboost engine is the 3.5 V6 and will be available in the MKS, Taurus SHO, Flex, and MKT. Later, there will be 4 cylinder versions.
 
The benefit is more power from a smaller engine. The idea is that smaller engines use less fuel but the direct injection and turbos give them the power of larger engines. From my gearhead perspective, the big benefit is massive torque at very low RPM. That allows the use of more economical gearing. The MKS ecoboost is rated 2 MPG better highway mileage than the non-ecoboost AWD MKS but it has 85 more HP and runs like a scalded ape.
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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [brucelinc] by dmitrib
Jul 18, 2009 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Jul 18, 2009 5:03 am)

cadillac CTS 2009 also has direct injection model , is it the same?
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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [dmitrib] by lilengineerboy
Jul 18, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: dmitrib (Jul 18, 2009 4:33 pm)

cadillac CTS 2009 also has direct injection model , is it the same?
 
I know you realize this already, but just to be sure we are all on the same thoughts, Cadillac is a GM car, and the MKS is a Lincoln (which is part of Ford) so on that level, no, they are not at all the same.
 
If you mean is the GM direct injection engine as good as the Lincoln direct injection engine, then its worth noting that the MKS with EcoBoost uses turbo-charging as well. Using relatively small, efficient turbos gets rid of the lag people associate with the 70s and 80s turbo cars. In a straight line and on the highway, its a hoot to drive. The 3.6 liter normally aspirated (no turbo) in the CTS isn't as powerful, but the car is still very engaging to drive.
 
I think Brucelinc was pretty spot on that if you enjoyed the Town Car, the MKS in a standard trim level would be a great match, but if you wanted something more sporty, I would look at the EcoBoost MKS and the CTS. Either way, you will probably want to drive them both, there are subtle differences that might affect the day-to-day life.
 
I really like the navigation system in the MKS. I also really like the connectivity through SYNC for a cell phone and iPod. The iPod/phone interface in the Cadillac is a lot clunkier. I also don't like the temperature readout for the climate control for the Caddy is at my knee level.
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Re: 2010 MKS enhancements [brucelinc] by akirby
Jul 19, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Jul 18, 2009 4:54 am)

Pretty sure all those improvements were done to handle the extra torque from the ecoboost engine.
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Re: 2010 MKS enhancements [akirby] by brucelinc
Jul 19, 2009 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2009 8:59 am)

True, but a great side effect is the even quieter ride. All the press that have reviewed the car use terms like "quiet as a tomb," quiet as a coffin," or "truly serene." Ford has apparently done a good job with the Fusion, Milan, and MKZ in the area of getting rid of unwanted noise, too. That seems to be an area of focus throughout the line up and I am glad to see it.
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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [lilengineerboy] by datagen
Jul 19, 2009 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 18, 2009 6:28 pm)

Your are right lilengineerboy that there are different cars. That is why I believe the Ecoboost with the more sporty suspension is to compete with the CTS and others in that area. I have to wonder sometimes is all this counter productive to the real requirements that we all may be missing here. I understand that the automakers attune to the customers wants, but are our wants wrong as far as we as a nation is concern?
 
I say this because even though there are beginnings to be a move towards more fuel-efficient vehicles, one thing that may be given up towards this quest is the speed and power that we all may be use too. I wonder is that such a sacrifice where with all that power and speed when there is no place to really use it legally. So in a sense it is like buying a 4-wheel drive vehicle and don’t 4-wheel drive.
 
I understand that many want to feel the power even if it is a short amount of time, but I wonder is it worth the price for such few seconds or hundreds of a second’s difference between the advancement being introduced and what is currently on the streets. Many have asked the question is all this power and the need for speed really needed? I would say no it is not needed, but it is wanted for even I will admit the sensation feels good (have enough tickets to attest to that) . Hopefully with the advancement of the electric engine (where acceleration and power is more efficient), we can have what we want, keep contributing towards the policeman's ball, and help the environment as well.
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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [datagen] by lilengineerboy
Jul 19, 2009 (3:14 pm)
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I understand that many want to feel the power even if it is a short amount of time, but I wonder is it worth the price for such few seconds or hundreds of a second’s difference between the advancement being introduced and what is currently on the streets. Many have asked the question is all this power and the need for speed really needed?

 
The role of the manufacturer is to meet the needs of the consumer. If you want to change consumer preferences, talk to them, not the manufacturer. If no one bought big SUVs (like last summer), the manufactures either stop making them or go out of business (like this summer). If everyone wanted a tiny slow car that got 100 mpg, they would be available.
 
It is the role of the OEMs to offer choices to consumers. Its up to the government to convince people they want something other than what they want. A gas tax would fix that, but they are too weak to try that.
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Re: Lincoln MKS vs. Cadillac CTS [lilengineerboy] by datagen
Jul 19, 2009 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 19, 2009 3:14 pm)

But if the manufacture saw that going a certain route would help their bottom line, can’t they talk to the consumer as well? They have the marketing tools to do it. I bet you if these was a process where auto companies could make a vehicle that use another fuel source that was cheaper than oil and in abundance, they would waste no time of flipping the bird to the oil companies and moving on with their plans, especially if they could control that other source. All they would have to do is to crank up the marketing machine, put the support to the supply infrastructure in high gear, and then produce the autos. Times a changing and there may be other agencies and organizations that needs to talk to the consumer other than the government.
 
You do have a point about the tax. In Europe it has force the existence a great mass transit system that was so efficient, it was cheaper, easier and less stressful to use than drive your car.

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