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#2640 of 2769 Re: Big cars that look small [datagen] by brucelinc Jun 16, 2009 (5:22 pm)
Replying to: datagen (Jun 16, 2009 5:09 pm) It looks shorter to my eyes than it really is, too. The deck seems very short in relationship with the roof. While the overall shape reminds me of a Buick Lucerne, the Buick looks a bit sleeker to me. The MKS is awfully tall for its wheelbase.   I agree the front is pretty striking. Overall, I think the car looks pretty upscale and somewhat distinctive - just not strikingly attractive! I have been driving an LS for 10 years. I got the first one my dealer sold in May, 1999. Anyone who noticed it (and few did) thought it was a Mitsubishi. I think the MKS makes a much stronger statement than the LS did.   By the way, Lincoln has updated their website with more information on the 2010 MKS and the "build and price" section is functional.
#2641 of 2769 window sticker by brucelinc Jun 18, 2009 (5:45 am)
My dealer emailed me the VIN of the car I ordered and I was able to pull up a PDF of the window sticker. There is a date on it of June 10. I don't know if that was the build date of the car or if it was just the date the VIN was issued. Does anyone know if the Chicago plant has even started building 2010s yet?   By the way, the window sticker shows EPA ratings of 17/25 so the ecoboost picked up 2 MPG over the 3.7 base AWD model. Time will tell if real world FE is better. With the 2.77 gearing, I would expect good highway mileage at cruise.
#2642 of 2769 oil overfill by drew70301 Jun 28, 2009 (4:08 pm)
Just got back from the dealer for a service to include an oil change. On checking the oil level this weekend, I noticed it appears to be a bit overfilled. My question is, how careful does one have to be about this? Will it hurt anything? Should I stop driving the car until it is taken care of?   I certainly don't want to do long term damage to the engine. What sort of damage could this cause?   Now when I say overfilled, it is a bit difficult to tell exactly where the top of the oil is on the dipstick. However, the top hole (at the full mark on the dipstick) is definitely not empty. The oil definitely goes over this hole for at least 2 or 3 mm. It is just hard to say how much further up it goes since the oil is so new. I am checking on level ground first thing in the morning, before using the car for the day. I am removing the dipstick, wiping it before reinserting, then removing it for the read.   Thanks for any thoughts. Replies to this message: brucelinc (Jun 29, 2009 4:34 am) alman08 (Jun 29, 2009 7:17 am) drew70301 (Jul 01, 2009 7:21 pm) datagen (Jul 01, 2009 8:06 pm) nvbanker (Jul 15, 2009 9:51 am)
#2643 of 2769 Re: oil overfill [drew70301] by brucelinc Jun 29, 2009 (4:34 am)
Replying to: drew70301 (Jun 28, 2009 4:08 pm) It shouldn't be above the top hole. My guess is that there is enough capacity in the pan than no real damage would result from such a small amount over. Too much oil and the crankshaft spinning can whip the oil and make it foamy. It doesn't sound like you are anywhere near that. The owners manual does warn about overfilling, though.   This happened to a friend of mine with his Taurus. It calls for 5.5 quarts and they put in 6. They drained some out and all is well. No more Jiffy-lube for him, though. Replies to this message: alman08 (Jun 29, 2009 7:17 am)
#2644 of 2769 Re: oil overfill [brucelinc] by alman08 Jun 29, 2009 (7:17 am)
Replying to: brucelinc (Jun 29, 2009 4:34 am) I ALWAYS have to tell them that it's NOT NECESSARY to top off the oil...
#2645 of 2769 Re: oil overfill [drew70301] by drew70301 Jul 01, 2009 (7:21 pm)
Replying to: drew70301 (Jun 28, 2009 4:08 pm) Problem resolved. After a few calls to the service desk where I am not sure they believed me, and after telling me that I needed to check the oil within 5 minutes after turning the engine off so as to distribute the oil, I called the salesman that sold me the car. He believed me without hesitation and on his initiative told me that they would send a driver to pick up the car and return it. I might have helped my case by telling him that I was no longer driving the car and that since I had no idea how much it was overfilled, that I was considering having it towed instead of driving it to the shop. Later that day, I got a call from the service manager who said he would personally come to the house to check the oil and decide if it was safe to drive.   The manager told me that it was a full quart overfilled. He told me that they had a problem with the bulk supply and that they had to break out the individual quarts. They made a mistake. I don't know if his determination of a full quart too much was from a measurement or from an estimate.   So, after 4 days and about 200 miles of driving with a quart too much oil, should I worry about damage down the road? I notice the service today is not listed on the owners website service history. I suppose I should ask them to make sure it is logged properly in the service history.   I have had a total of 4 oil changes at a dealer over the last 20 years and there has been a problem with each of them. I have not had good luck.   1. Once in the early 1990's, I noticed on the receipt that 10W40 oil was used, I asked why since that is not what the owner's manual called for. The answer was that they used 10W40 because it was hot in this part of the country.   2. In the late 1990's, I had a sable with the bigger engine option. On the receipt printout, I noticed that the volume of oil used was not correct for my engine. No big deal, I added more at home. I pointed it out to them but they didn't believe me. I didn't have the printout anymore since it was a few months down the road.   3. With my towncar in the mid 2000's, they cross treaded the oil pan plug. Of course, this was noticed at my next oil change at my regular place. I was standing right there chatting with him inspecting the underside of the car when I saw he was having trouble removing the plug. Of course, he had a suitable replacement in his drawer.   4. current oil overfill issue and they sure didn't believe me until they saw it for themselves.   Sort of unbelievable.   Lots of points for this salesman. I have bought 3 cars from him already. Replies to this message: datagen (Jul 01, 2009 8:06 pm) nvbanker (Jul 15, 2009 9:51 am)
#2646 of 2769 Re: oil overfill [drew70301] by datagen Jul 01, 2009 (8:06 pm)
Replying to: drew70301 (Jul 01, 2009 7:21 pm) Remember each dealership is their own world no matter what agreements or contracts that have been worked out with the manufacture. I have found one dealership that has service me well and will work on any vehicle I take to them (domestic or foreign). Even at this one I will insist on a visual inspection of the oil levels after changes are performed. There is just too much involved and you can’t be overly careful.
#2649 of 2769 Re: Ecoboost suspension tuning [hayjule] by gregg_vw Jul 06, 2009 (10:27 am)
Only if your LS is worth less than $4500 on trade in, and the MKS is 10 mpg more fuel efficient than your LS. Oh, and your LS must go to the crusher.

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