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Replying to: speculator (May 20, 2009 8:27 pm) |
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Replying to: emrnibbles1 (May 22, 2009 1:18 pm) LOL. Okay so given your other vehicles (the AWD Bentley and the MBZ S550) I don't think you are in the market for a 30k Taurus or a 50k Lincoln anyway, so I don't see why you feel the need to judge the other posters. I don't see how your opinion is more or less valid than mine, without resorting to assumptions to motivation. I don't understand what the big deal is I guess. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to whine about not liking it, thats fine, but don't get upset if someone does like it. |
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Replying to: nvbanker (May 21, 2009 8:30 am) Sorry for the confusion. The reply did not pick up the quoted material. |
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Replying to: emrnibbles1 (May 22, 2009 1:18 pm) I'm guessing you've never actually seen or touched the "recycled wood and suede" that you say is cheap. And I'm willing to bet that it cost Ford a lot of R&D to figure out how to use those recycled materials and get them to look right. So your cost cutting theory is horse hockey. It would have been cheaper to use real wood and suede. A RWD platform with better weight distribution would have been better. The center console could use some wood (recycled or not). Other than that, I can't see much room for improvement. As for the price - for decades Ford tried to sell cheap cars and they were successful for awhile. But not today - not with the Koreans and the Chinese moving into the bottom end of the market. Ford has to move upmarket and make the best vehicles they can - and if that means an AWD 365 Hp Taurus cost $38K then so be it. The Ford brand no longer carries the stigma of a few years ago. I think people are willing to pay for better materials, styling, performance and features. Are they going to sell 400K/yr? Of course not - those days are over anyway. But with all the platform sharing they don't have to sell that many to make money. If you don't like it, don't buy it. My opinion is just as valid as your opinion and we'll both have to wait for the sales figures to see who is right.
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Replying to: akirby (May 22, 2009 5:35 pm) This is the best point I've read on the forums in the last week. |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 21, 2009 3:05 am) |
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Replying to: speculator (May 23, 2009 8:22 am) As for Lincoln - how many times do we have to point out that Lincoln IS going back to RWD and it's obviously moving upmarket (witness how Mulally is moving Ford more upmarket with the Taurus). But they don't have a current, suitable RWD platform readily available and right now they simply can't afford to build a brand new one. Why don't you go loan Lincoln a few billion dollars and they'll build just the car you want? Or just be patient and wait for them to get the Ford brand back on it's feet and then they can go after Lincoln. That's been the strategy the last 2 years. Were you asleep at all the dealer meetings?
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Replying to: speculator (May 23, 2009 8:22 am) I think the issue is Ford lacks a modern RWD platform. GM had European and Australian platforms to leverage for the CTS, G8, and GTO. Does Ford have a RWD other than the Mustang (which is live axle even)? I thought the Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-Type, and T-Bird were all on the same platform. Did that get scrapped when Tata bought Jag? I just don't believe that a Taurus SHO that is based at 38,000 without options is going to be a great seller. Are you worried about only the SHO or the whole Taurus line in general? Does it base with the 3.5 from the Edge and then get an EcoBoost after that? I thought Mulally said it wasn't going to cost more than the current Taurus.
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 23, 2009 5:57 pm) That's exactly the problem. The Mustang platform isn't suitable for several reasons. They have RWD V8 sedans in Australia but they don't want to just import those (GM tried that unsuccessfully). What Mulally has in mind is a new global platform that can be used for both the NA and Aussie market. It was already underway but was stopped when the economy tanked and fuel prices rose. They had to divert funding to getting the Fiesta and other smaller Euro cars here sooner. Once that's done they'll go back to global RWD. I thought the Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-Type, and T-Bird were all on the same platform. Did that get scrapped when Tata bought Jag? They were. The LS and T-bird were cancelled years ago. That platform was too expensive and could not use the cheaper corporate V8. When they decided not to sell it in Europe the business case was dead. Jag upgraded the DEW98 platform which is used now in the XF. Ford wants a new global RWD platform (NA and Australia) and dew98 doesn't fit the bill even if they still owned Jaguar. |
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