- #2579 of 2770
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Re: 2010 MKS Ecoboost pricing [lilengineerboy]
by speculator
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May 20, 2009 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 20, 2009 7:25 pm)
But still a BMW. Ford doesn't have that cache' Also the SHO uses recycled plastic soda bottles for the for its interior. Even for its seats. So much for the vinyl in the Bimmer. Also the Impala SS was produced on an ancient chassis. It was a Caprice variant. It came with a 270 hp Corvette engine. The Marauder had a 300 hp engine and was faster than the SS . Also I thought that the Blues Brothers movie used a beat up Dodge police car. In fact I remember part of the movie being shot at the County building in Chicago in the early 80's. Long before the Marauder that had the Gran Marquis body style. But I remember the 1971 Marauder.
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- #2580 of 2770
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Re: 2010 MKS Ecoboost pricing [speculator]
by lilengineerboy
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May 20, 2009 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: speculator (May 20, 2009 7:48 pm)
But still a BMW. Ford doesn't have that cache'
How much is a loaded Expedition?
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- #2581 of 2770
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Re: Ok.... [akirby]
by speculator
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May 20, 2009 (8:02 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (May 20, 2009 7:27 pm)
So I am to believe thast a Bimmer owner would purchase a SHO? Tell me what brand has better reputation. Ford or BMW. Are you writing that I would get the same performance from a SHO as I would from a Bimmer or that the fit and finish is the same or better? Or are you writting that the SHO is worth the extra 10 -12 k over a base Taurus. If so ,why? Most of the interior of the Taurus is made from recycled plastic soda bottles. And some auto writers have written that it looks it. That sure sounds as if it is worth 38K. Ford got into the mess that it's in not because its products never offered all of the bangs and whistles but because of its mechanical and with its fit and finish problems. The Ford Taurus models after 1993 had the most government recalls of all vehicles until the car was discontinued in 2004. That was its the problem.
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- #2582 of 2770
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Re: Ok.... [speculator]
by lilengineerboy
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May 20, 2009 (8:06 pm)
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Replying to: speculator (May 20, 2009 8:02 pm)
So are you planning on selling your franchise?
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- #2583 of 2770
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Re: Ok.... [lilengineerboy]
by speculator
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May 20, 2009 (8:27 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 20, 2009 8:06 pm)
So thatis what this is all about. Don't like anyone who is an insider criticizing the Ford Motor Company. I guess I am to be a team player and believe that everything that Ford does makes business sense. I guess I am suppose to lie to the readers of this post by posting nothing but praise on Ford products while having the readers believe that I am just an ordinary Ford owner. Is that it? How many of all of those who are criticizing me are Ford insiders? I am not a rah-rah boy.
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- #2584 of 2770
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interesting discussion going on here...
by alman08
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May 20, 2009 (8:58 pm)
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hmmm... about the depreciation discussion which someone said he could buy a year old Ecoboost MKS for $20k, I highly doubt it. Sure, domestic cars don't hold their value much, but that can be said for BMW and Mercedes. One can actually buy a year old high end BMW and Mercedes for $10k less.
Now, with the discussion on BMW vs. Ford, this one is even more interesting. In my opinion, a BMW (5 series and 7 series) buyer is not going to consider anything from Ford Motor Co. I used the 5 series and 7 series BMW because a Taurus is a full size car and I would not want to compare it to the BMW 3 series. I have yet to see a production SHO in person so it's not fair to comment on the "recycled soda bottle" interior. But if the Flex's interior is any indication of what Ford is doing to improve material quality of the interior in their cars, then I think they're on the right track. Who's going to buy the SHO at that price? No one knows and let the sale figures speak in a year or so.
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- #2585 of 2770
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Re: interesting discussion going on here... [alman08]
by speculator
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May 20, 2009 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: alman08 (May 20, 2009 8:58 pm)
My point is is that he price of the car is in the segment that the average Ford buyer isn't interested in. What would the average Ford customer think when he sees the price of this car. He might believe that for 38k he could buy a Mercedes or Bimmer or an MKS. That is what I am trying to point out. When I post that Lincoln needs to produce a 60k model, those who post on this sight write that the average Lincoln customer wouldn't purchase such a model because that price is too high for a Lincoln. That it puts Lincoln into competiton with foreign models of similiar price. I guess that the foreign brands would win out in sales. What's the difference with a 38k Ford sedan?
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- #2586 of 2770
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Re: Ok.... [speculator]
by lilengineerboy
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May 21, 2009 (3:02 am)
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Replying to: speculator (May 20, 2009 8:27 pm)
So thatis what this is all about. Don't like anyone who is an insider criticizing the Ford Motor Company. I guess I am to be a team player and believe that everything that Ford does makes business sense. I guess I am suppose to lie to the readers of this post by posting nothing but praise on Ford products while having the readers believe that I am just an ordinary Ford owner. Is that it? How many of all of those who are criticizing me are Ford insiders? I am not a rah-rah boy.
I apologize. I would consider myself a fanboy at this point but I too am critical of some of Ford's decisions as they affect me personally. I would love a Fusion Sport but instead I am looking at a Fusion S or SE 4 cylinder because those are supposedly available with a manual transmission. Is it worth Ford making a V6 manual for me and the 3 other people that want one?
I certainly didn't mean to make you feel persecuted for your opinions, it just seems that you didn't really like any of the products you are selling. I think its easier to sell a product when you believe in it (hence Chrysler's issue).
In California, most urban car dealers have pretty high turn-over. My buddy was the sales mngr at a Nissan store for a long time before going to Chevrolet, and then back to Nissan because he didn't feel like he could sell Chevys (not saying anything positive or negative about Nissans or Chevys, just his POV).
Again, I didn't mean to make you feel persecuted or interrogated for your comments. I think at this point, Ford needs all the feedback it can get. It also seems like the SHO is just one trim line of one model - a halo vehicle, like the Fusion Hybrid but different segment. Do you think the regular Taurus is too pricey as well?
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- #2587 of 2770
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Re: interesting discussion going on here... [speculator]
by lilengineerboy
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May 21, 2009 (3:05 am)
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Replying to: speculator (May 20, 2009 9:21 pm)
When I post that Lincoln needs to produce a 60k model,
Like a Lexus GS400 or like an LS460? Or more like that BMW 5-series? Were you thinking of a big RWD vehicle (modern Town Car)?
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- #2588 of 2770
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Re: 2010 MKS Ecoboost pricing [lilengineerboy]
by izaclown1
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May 21, 2009 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 20, 2009 7:25 pm)
It was like driving a couch. Very comfy seats, but it did not really perform until you were on interstate out of town traffic. Was not a comfy ride at all. I have ridden in old pickups that road better. Too stiff in the suspension and you felt every single road surface imperfections. 2 sets of very high priced tires front and back and you did not rotate them. They were only 35kmile or so rated as well. Would not run with anything less than 96 octane.
I looked at one, but the maintenance and gas was out my my price range at the time. Blue Oval bombed on that one.
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