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Re: Problem with Snow & Ice [mobrien99] by bobsokoler
Jan 08, 2009 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: mobrien99 (Jan 07, 2009 5:35 pm)

I've had my MKS (FWD and 19in tires) for 2 months and love it. No problem with snow here but we're only seen 1 or 2 inched of snow this winter. I have heard some small noises coming from the front end when breaking at a corner and hitting bumps. I'm also hearing slight brake squeal while stopping. Anyone else seeing these things. The LM dealership did a 3000 mile oil change and found no problems.
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Re: Problem with Snow & Ice [bobsokoler] by brucelinc
Jan 08, 2009 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: bobsokoler (Jan 08, 2009 6:04 am)

I have heard some small noises coming from the front end when breaking at a corner and hitting bumps.
 
A few 2008 Taurus owners have mentioned this and the fix is apparently to lube the strut bushings. Someone said their was a TSB on it but I can't confirm that. In any case, it would be a simple fix and it might be the same issue with your MKS. You could ask your dealer.
 
As for snow build-up, I imagine the tire/wheel combination is the same or very similar overall diameter regardless of whether one has the 19 or 20 inch wheels.
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Ecoboost MKS by brucelinc
Jan 15, 2009 (5:56 am)
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http://media.ford.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=2024
 
This is the one I have been waiting for. The Ecoboost engine will finally make the MKS something special - at least from my perspective. Based on some of the pics I have seen on various sites, they have addressed the cheap looking console/center stack, too. There are also some new colors for 2010.
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [brucelinc] by gregg_vw
Jan 15, 2009 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: brucelinc (Jan 15, 2009 5:56 am)

You may want to look at the 2010 Taurus as well. It is the same architecture as the MKS and will offer much the same amenities, including the Ecoboost. There is less separating these two vehicles now than ever. What it really comes down to is which styling do you prefer? I think the 2010 Taurus will stand out in a crowd a bit more, at least first. Except for some degree the grill, the MKS blends in with the crowd more. However, if Taurus sales pick up, it will soon enough lose that standout quality.
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [gregg_vw] by savetheland
Jan 15, 2009 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 15, 2009 7:39 am)

With new Taurus they basically made Mercury Sable a.k.a Lincoln MKS a much more expensive - smart move. But what about real Lincoln?
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [savetheland] by gregg_vw
Jan 16, 2009 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: savetheland (Jan 15, 2009 5:28 pm)

What real Lincoln? LS is dead. TC is basically dead (and should have been euthanized years ago in its present form...it is like Lincoln's own Checker taxi). The MKX is an Edge with makeup. The MKZ would make a better Mercury than Lincoln. The MKT appears to be a Lincoln no one asked for. Maybe it will eventually replace the slow selling Navigator.
 
The MKS can hold its own with FWD/AWD near-luxury sedans...but now it is not even truly an upgraded Ford (as the 2010 Taurus is so good), but rather a Ford with new Lincoln styling. The C concept at the Detroit show demonstrates some forward thinking, but I have no idea if something so innovative would ever get approval. Still can't believe how they took the MKT concept which (love it or hate it) looked like nothing else on the road and turned it into an innocuous station wagon, with the new Lincoln grill on the front. Sort of like how they messed up the MKX from taking it from concept to Edge-with-a-Lincoln-esque-grill.
 
BTW, have you looked at the mileage of some of the 09 V8s? The 5.7 372 hp Dodge Challenger (a rather large and heavy car) already gets 16/25 mpg. Not too shabby, and again begs the question, what clear advantage really is there with a complicated twin turbo V6 over a normally aspirated, well-geared V8? Just asking...
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [gregg_vw] by savetheland
Jan 16, 2009 (5:06 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 16, 2009 9:33 am)

And I forgot to mention important detail - there will be no RWD Lincolns. Both GM and Ford abandoned using australian RWD in USA. Caddy will still have one and may be Pontiac. If they leave Pontiac as a FWD - it is better to kill the brand. And rename Lincoln to Mercuries - finally.
 
Whats the point with MKT - were not Mercuries supposed to be small premium cars? And MKT is nothing other than Ford Focus. Well for Audi it works - but Audi is an engineering company and it is the separate company in VAG.
 
Thats my question to American CEOs - why you need several brands if cannot differentiate them? Toyota does, Nissan does, even VW does.
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [savetheland] by akirby
Jan 17, 2009 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: savetheland (Jan 16, 2009 5:06 pm)

MKT is a Focus? What planet are you living on? MKT is based on the Flex which is a 7 passenger vehicle with 3 rows of seating.
 
The problem with american mfrs and brands is history - these brands were born decades ago when the automobile industry was totally different, and they have not adapted over the years. The imports were able to come in about 20 years ago and create new brands from scratch without the historical baggage or huge legacy dealer networks to support.
 
Ford finally gets it but it will take years to straighten it out. They are quietly consolidating and buying out dealers.
 
And just to clarify the RWD issue - Ford has put the GRWD program on hold and while we're all disappointed it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Ford's limited resources are better spent on smaller cars and improved fuel economy. What could be worse than for Ford to spend billions on new large RWD vehicles only to see gas prices go back up and sales dwindle again.
 
It's not just that it's RWD - it's the cost of a new platform when they already have capable, if not exciting, FWD/AWD platforms.
 
When Ford is in the black again and has the basics covered then they can afford to look at a new Lincoln platform. Sucks, but that's business.
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [akirby] by speculator
Jan 17, 2009 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 17, 2009 8:20 am)

There is always a customer for a premium rwd vehicle. These can afford the higher price of fuel. There are ways of producing a premium rwd platform that will be more fuel efficient .Two of the methods is to decrease weight by using new metal alloys and carbon graphite fibers. For engine tech direct injection with cylinder deactivation. The problem with Lincoln is is that this type of customer believes that Lincolns are basically Fords with a different body. In order to make this brand into a premium mark again Lincoln needs a rwd premium vehicle. But that also means that Lincoln has to convince this market segment that it is again a premium brand.
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Re: Ecoboost MKS [speculator] by akirby
Jan 17, 2009 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: speculator (Jan 17, 2009 12:15 pm)

Of course there is a market, but it's a relatively small market (and shrinking). If Ford was making money then maybe they could afford to go after such a niche market. But they can't so they have to focus on their core vehicles.
 
It's not just fuel economy - it's the cost of the investment versus the payoff. Ford simply has other areas that need the investment more at the moment. In 2 years hopefully that will be a different story.

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