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Re: Real Facts about Linciln MKS [speculator]
by akirby
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Dec 28, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: speculator (Dec 27, 2008 6:10 pm)
Ford's AWD system will send power to the rear BEFORE slip occurs in order to provide better performance and reduce the possibility of slip occuring. It uses steering angle and throttle inputs - e.g. if you're going into a curve and accelerating it will send power to the rear. This does help handling even in dry conditions. Ford's system can electronically send 100%of the power to the rear wheels. This is NOT just an anti-slip system.
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Re: Real Facts about Linciln MKS [akirby]
by speculator
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Dec 28, 2008 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 28, 2008 9:08 am)
It still uses a Haldex torque conveter. Audi also uses a Haldex on its transverse mounted engine vehicles for the awd option on these models. But on its premiere sedans with its permanent awd system option it it uses a Torsen differential. The torque bias is 40/ 60 with 40 % of the torque to the front wheels and 60% to the rear. Also, these models have an electronic differential lock to break the engine as well as to limit individual wheel slip. Its not possible to use a Torsen differential on a transverse mounted engine. Lincoln doesn't offer this type of performance option because of its basic Volvo platform design.
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- #2258 of 2770
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Re: Real Facts about Linciln MKS [speculator]
by akirby
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Dec 29, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: speculator (Dec 28, 2008 10:24 am)
I understand that it's not the same as Audi's quattro system. But it does transfer torque before slip is detected to enhance performance which is more than the standard Volvo Haldex system did. And it can electronically transfer 100% of the torque when needed.
The AWD A6 is a lot more expensive than an AWD MKS, even though it's smaller.
Again - Ford is getting the most out of the platform they had. They've already updated the front clip to handle more torque, redone the rear suspension which also made it to the flex and updated the AWD system. It's just not cost effective to do anything else when they need a GRWD platform anyway.
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Re: Real Facts about Linciln MKS [akirby]
by speculator
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Dec 29, 2008 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Dec 29, 2008 10:35 am)
I am not implying that this is a bad awd system. But I believe that it is not as modern as say the xwd system that is used on SAAB. I believe that that system was partly engineered by Haldex and is licensed only for use by SAAB. But that doesn't mean that Ford couldn't develop a system that is similar. Ford could keep the vehicles base price below 40 K. But offer the system as a sport package with the 340 hp engine. Many of the options on this car are part of packages. The most expensive is around 5500 dollars. Have a sport package with better bucket seats that offer more support , give it a little more of a firmer suspension, offer exterior and interior colors limited to the sport package, maybe even give it ground effects modified to fit the car's style. If Lincoln is to survive its going to have to figure a way to draw the younger crowd. This would be a start since Lincoln doesn't offer a sporty rwd car. I know Lincoln had the LS that was suppose to draw in the affluent young. For a while it did . But Ford never did anything to the car to keep it relevant. It allowed The CTS to steal the thunder.
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Re: Real Facts about Linciln MKS [speculator]
by akirby
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Dec 29, 2008 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: speculator (Dec 29, 2008 11:30 am)
Shouldn't you wait and see what the Ecoboost version has? It may come with a firmer suspension and seats with more bolstering AND 75 more hp. Isn't that what you're asking for?
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More gimmicks instead of performance and handling!
by emrnibbles1
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Jan 01, 2009 (7:10 pm)
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Now the MKS will have a parking assist option a-la Lexus along with electric steering for 2010. Instead of all of these gimmicks Ford could have used the money to produce a car that could compete with its rival in performance. I don't know how anyone could have driven a car without sync or parking assist. If a person can't park his car ,he shouldn't have a license to drive. Oops! That's the market segment that this jalopy is targeted at.
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- #2262 of 2770
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Re: More gimmicks instead of performance and handling! [emrnibbles1]
by akirby
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Jan 02, 2009 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: emrnibbles1 (Jan 01, 2009 7:10 pm)
That gimmick (and I don't disagree with that word) was dirt cheap because the hardware already existed - just required a little software. So no, the money could not have been spent elsewhere. And it's good PR.
When the 340 hp version appears go drive it and then tell us what's wrong with it. Or do you only like to do paper comparisons?
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- #2263 of 2770
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Re: More gimmicks instead of performance and handling! [akirby]
by emrnibbles1
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Jan 02, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 02, 2009 7:08 am)
The MKS doesn't handle as well as my S550 4matic. I have already driven the awd version of the MKS. The MKS park assist system was developed in Chicago. It required more than a software update. What about the sensors that are used to steer the car while parking? What about the servos that operate the electric steering? Nevertheless, the money used on this gimmick could have been better spent to produce an intelligent suspension system that adjust to speed and driver inputs.
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- #2264 of 2770
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Re: More gimmicks instead of performance and handling! [emrnibbles1]
by akirby
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Jan 02, 2009 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: emrnibbles1 (Jan 02, 2009 10:35 am)
What about the sensors that are used to steer the car while parking? What about the servos that operate the electric steering?
The sensors and electric steering are already there. All it required was additional software to use the sensors and operate the steering. And a button.
The base price for a S550 4matic is $92K. Why would you expect a car costing half as much to be just as good?
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Problem with Snow & Ice
by mobrien99
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Jan 07, 2009 (5:35 pm)
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Has anyone had this problem - I have the AWD version with 20" tires and when it snows, the car gets snow jammed in the front end to the point where the car rides so bad that you would think it is going to shake itself into oblivion. I have had the car for 3 weeks and this has already happened twice. It seems like there isn't enough clearance between the tires and the wheel wells?? Anyone seen this or has a comment. I wonder if 19" tires would help?
Thanks
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