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You are in the Lincoln MKS
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Lincoln MKS, Sedan
#2179 of 2971 Re: Ford troubles. [speculator]
Oct 09, 2008 (6:21 am)
The Navigator will eventually be replaced by the MKT. The Navigator will be discontinued by the start of 2010. I expect a certain person to post a reply that counters this. Nevertheless it is true. The new rear wheel drive platform for Lincoln and another large Ford sedan is also to be discontinued for the American market. Ford is going fwd for all of its domestic models except for the Mustang if it survives. Wishfull hopes will not change that. Look for the platform for the next gen Mustang to be smaller than the present one.
And your source for this is what? Motor Trend and Rumor Mills? Or do you have inside knowledge? I don't but I do know that you can't trust a lot of what's being reported because most of it is speculation (pun intended) based on limited comments from company executives that are being misintepreted.
As for me - my Ford sources are current and former Ford employees on several websites - public and private. I don't know why I have to explain that to you or what difference it makes, but if it makes you feel better......
People buy BMWs for 2 reasons - prestige and performance, in that order. The MKS has neither. It's a luxury sedan and Lincoln is still trying to build prestige. And people don't buy these types of cars based on price.
Here's the OTHER side to your sales coin: the MKS which has only been available for a couple of months, outsold the Lexus GS, Audi A6, Infiniti M35/45, Cadillac CTS and Jag XF. Please explain that.
Oct 09, 2008 (6:22 am)
The Taurus X may be the teaser car that they plan to slowly bring down to get people to move over to the Flex.
You give Ford too much credit, The Taurus X is the Freestyle with a different grill and upgraded engine. Ford thought the conservative station wagon crossover would sell, and when it didn't thought giving it a more distinctive grill and a bit more power would juice sales. It was not one of their better ideas.
They then scrambled to get the Flex to market. Meanwhile, the X is still a very new design and it would be dumb to just dump it without giving it some more time for additional sales. And of course the Flex, a polarizing design that the X should have had (had Ford had any real thinking people in charge), arrived just at the wrong time. Besides, Ford is hardly the only company that has several crossovers for sale in the same showroom.
This mishmash within the American Ford brands, Lincoln included, is just ludicrous, but again hardly a Ford exclusive. Meanwhile the more integrated and better designed European Fords are still at least two years away. I wouldn't bet on the survical of an independent Ford--or the Lincoln brand at all.
#2181 of 2971 Re: MKS vs. Genesis vs. Azera [speculator]
Oct 09, 2008 (12:03 pm)
Because IMO, the wood looks better and offers a greater contrast. Since everybody except Genesis uses "wood" or aluminum, must be a reason.
#2182 of 2971 Re: Just wondering why? [speculator]
Oct 09, 2008 (12:13 pm)
I've driven all three and Lexus admits that the ride on the LS 430 was not as good as it should have been. The 460 does ride some better than the MKS, but for $25,000 more, it darn well should. The 460 has less on it than the MKS unless you get up into the $75,000+ area and service costs a whole lot more for Lexus.
The only Lincoln dealer in about six counties of a large SMSA only has one MKS and has sold everyone that came in within a week or so. On the other hand, he also sells Genesis' and those are beginning to build up.
The inventory of Lexus LS 460's in this area is really building up, so much so that they are now offering as much as $8,000 off whereas the normal discount is $2,000.
The only cars selling now are economy cars and even very few of those due to the credit crisis, the financial crisis and the fear that most people have about what is going to happen.
Oct 11, 2008 (6:04 am)
OK everyone as promised, I finally got my MKS. The dealer called me yesterday around high noon to say that he had it confirmed that it just came off the truck. It had been on order since 27 Feb, but due to the things I wanted on it, I had to wait. After going through all the paperwork I went through approx 20 minute briefing on the navigational system and other features of the car. Part of this dealerships policy is to not only show customer about sync, but to actually perform the syncing of the customers phone with the car through the blue tooth technology (this could be a safety requirement as well). It took less than a minutes to have the car discover my phone, up load my complete address book and get in a ready state for operations. You can give it a voice command calling the name directly from your phone book and it will make the call.
I took some phone pictures of certain areas at http://www.me.com/gallery/#100013. You can down load them to take a closer peek if you wish. Some things to note:
When I started the car the first time, the gas indicator computer said that it was 409 miles before E, but to get it to that point, you had to fill it to the brim. When I filled it up again, I got it up to 398 miles. Yes, I understand it will vary.
They sticker shows the cost of operating (gas cost) was estimated at $4.10 a gallon at $3,227 bucks a year. The lowest price I have seen in my area was $2.85 a gallon. Lucky me for now (till next summer when gas will hit $10 bucks a gallon).
I ordered the wood package and even though I wished they had done the center console, it still looks nice and accents the doors well with the wood on the dash. The rear doors are done as well.
I also order the 20-inch high polished rims for this car. There is a cost for that because you feel it a little more on bumpy roads. It is not much, but depending on the bump, it can be noticeable. Warning, they are supposing to come out with some chrome rims. My dealership said that if they do not come on the vehicle, do not order them as an accessory. The cost for the transfer to chrome is just not worth it.
I did order an additional key bob, wheels locks, and the MKS weather floor mats. I was not impressed with the floor mats and I believe an off market brand would be better.
I am still learning all the features of the navigational package but I have learned quite a bit already. You can also dial on the screen to any number you wish. The gas price feature is cool also, but remember not all gas stations participate.
I will have to agree the operational buttons in the center console are kinda small. For those who work on a laptop most of the day you may not notice the difference. Others, it may take a little getting use of the difference.
Trunk is deep and the opening does question what you can put it in. More on that down the road.
On the highway I was impressed with that 3.7 engine. It moves and does not play. It is very quite inside and sometime I had to struggle to hear the engine. On the flip side the 20-inch rims really give you control on the road. I believe it really assist on the responsiveness side.
Even though I ordered the ultimate package and everything, the rear shade cover was not on this vehicle. I do not know why at this time.
I have not done the Ipod thing yet and used the hard drive (other than installing my phone book) so I will provide more on this later. I will say the large screen is nice and the rear camera is great also when backing up. I did find myself struggling to trust it and looking at the mirrors mostly and using the camera as a double check.
Well thatís it for now, If you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them for you. Thanks All
#2184 of 2971 Re: Finally [datagen]
Oct 11, 2008 (8:28 pm)
Good to see you bought one. Lincoln chose almost the worst possible moment to try to turn things around, and they did it with a compromised entry...though the MKS (God I hate that name!) is fine compared to the direct competition.
I feel very badly for this brand. 10 years ago, it was poised to really make waves. Now, we have to wonder if it will survive. Sad. People in control in almost all arenas (not just cars) made some very bad moves in th epast decade, and apparently learned nothing from the dot.com downturn and Worldcom and Enron. Ford made it through the depression. I hope they can do it again.
#2185 of 2971 Re: Just wondering why? [speculator]
Oct 13, 2008 (6:48 pm)
The LS 430 is obsolete and it still is a better made car than the MKS which is a new design. How well will the MKS compare to the LS460?
The Lexus is twice the money the MKS is - of course it's better made. But IMO, the MKS is a good car for the money, and very pleasing to drive.
#2187 of 2971 Re: Finally [gregg_vw]
Oct 21, 2008 (8:00 am)
For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering a Lincoln. Being an old school kind of guy, I really hate numbers and letters for cars. MKS, MKZ, MKQ, MKK, KKK? It is hard for most people to differentiate and people who pay $30K plus like for others to know what they are driving. At least Lexus, MB and BMW use a progressive hierarchy in their nomenclature.
Maybe they could change the MKS to Continental or Mark ??
#2188 of 2971 Re: Finally [carolinabob]
Oct 21, 2008 (8:47 am)