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#1707 of 2971 Another Autoblog reviews by theman123

Jul 09, 2008 (7:56 am)

The full updated Autoblog review
 
Another Autoblog Review
 
It seems that Autoblog is very taken by the Lincoln MKS. Also, I've noticed that allot of other magazines are as well. But the thing about the Article is read some of the comments that the people make after the review. Also, the biggest surprise so far is Motortrend. They are the most Anti-Ford magazine that I've ever seen. And they like it as well.
 
Motortrend
 
Well then again I shouldn't get to excited because their Anti-Ford king Angus Mckenzie hasn't had a chance to piss hate and Damn over-insult the 2009 MKS yet. Remember, Angus Mckenzie was the one the call the MKS "The wrong car."
 
So, does anybody here think there is any hope at all for the MKS for Motortrend car of the year ?
 
Yes/No ?

#1708 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [theman123] by gregg_vw

Jul 09, 2008 (8:46 am)

Replying to: theman123 (Jul 09, 2008 7:56 am)
I suspect not, and not merely because of any anti-Ford bias. The MKS is definitely competitive in its segment, but it is not the home run that will put Lincoln back on most people's luxury shopping list. Plus, it will have to go up against a lot of other new 2009 models in different segments, e.g., the new Audi A4, the Nissan Maxima, the Hyundai Genesis, the Mazda6, Volkswagen CC, Acura TSX, Jaguar XF, Pontiac Vibe, Corolla. The MKS is a better Taurus (itself a good car) all around, and not nearly as dowdy. Fortunately, other than the CC and Mazda6, most of the other contenders also have understated-to-nearly-bland lines.

#1709 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [gregg_vw] by akirby

Jul 09, 2008 (9:10 am)

Replying to: gregg_vw (Jul 09, 2008 8:46 am)
Considering what happened to the 2000 MT COTY - I hope not.
 
I don't think it stands out enough in any area except techno-goodies. I also don't think it matters one iota.

#1710 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [gregg_vw] by kenb757

Jul 09, 2008 (2:02 pm)

Replying to: gregg_vw (Jul 09, 2008 8:46 am)
Of the cars listed, the only other I'd consider for Car of the Year besides the MKS is the XF. But then again MT did make the Chevy Citation its Car of the Year during a mentally challenging time in U.S. history. Just look at who's in the White House; nothing should surprise anyone anymore.

#1711 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [kenb757] by gregg_vw

Jul 10, 2008 (6:20 am)

Replying to: kenb757 (Jul 09, 2008 2:02 pm)
The XF, new Maxima, Genesis, and new Mazda6 are all likely to garner at least as many points if not more than the MKS. Remember, the cars are not judged directly against one another (though the Genesis, MKS and XF likely will be), but also on how they perform in their own segments. The Genesis and XF could get a nod over the MKS, given they both offer V8s and rear wheel drive. The MKS would win on room and bulk.

#1712 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [gregg_vw] by theman123

Jul 10, 2008 (8:04 am)

Replying to: gregg_vw (Jul 10, 2008 6:20 am)
I put that question out there just to see what everybody thought. Personally, I'm not holding my breath. Motortrend is an awful magazine. To that, Motortrend and Edmunds are so anti-Ford till it hurts. On more than one occasion they have openly verbalized their hatred for Ford and they both love to dog the living Hell out of Ford. Motortrend and Edmunds do not have any respect for Ford or really any domestic brand to be honest. Motortrend and Edmunds thinks nothing of Ford at all and it's not going to change anytime soon. I'll bet any amount of money the MKS is going to lose every comparison test Edmunds and Motortrene puts it in. If Imy be so arrogant and put words in Motortrend and Edmunds mouth. Motortrend and Edmunds wants Ford to shamelessly copy Mercedes and BMW and put a Lincoln star on the front. Like Americans are to stupid to realize were the design came from. So, instead of Ford just being in trouble. Ford would also be the laughing stock as well as in trouble if they followed Motortrends and Edmunds formula. There that's all I have to say.

#1713 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [theman123] by gregg_vw

Jul 10, 2008 (8:42 am)

Replying to: theman123 (Jul 10, 2008 8:04 am)
I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. I don't see any particular anti-Ford bias in either Motor Trend or Edmunds. I could be wrong, but it seems they call 'em like they see 'em regardless of brand.
 
Ford has been its own worst enemy in terms of product decisions for many years. They rode a wave of success in the late 1990s, and then threw it away by forgetting that their success was based on new products. Mullaly has come along late in the game and at a point where all companies are scrambling to get out the products people really want to buy.
 
Ford has allowed so many good sellers to sink either through total neglect (Ranger, Crown Vic, Town Car, Taurus) or timid, tepid re-dos (Explorer, Expedition, Taurus). The MKS is a step in the right direction, because it is not merely a Taurus with different trim. But all Mercurys are still Fords with slight trim variations, and the MKX is an Edge and the MKZ is a Fusion with upgraded trim and a better engine. Lincoln deserves better. The present management is well aware of these mistakes. The question is can Ford survive independently long enough until models like the Fiesta, new world Focus, MKR, Explorer replacement, etc. can be available? And will the targets have moved once again by then?
 
Ford needs to get beyond trying to meet the competition, and instead leapfrog it, like they did with the original Mustang, the original Taurus, the first Explorer, the 97 F150, the original Navigator. It will be interesting to see if the Flex can get a special buzz going among those who buy people movers.

#1714 of 2971 Right on the mark... by nvbanker

Jul 10, 2008 (9:26 am)

Ford needs to get beyond trying to meet the competition, and instead leapfrog it, like they did with the original Mustang, the original Taurus, the first Explorer, the 97 F150, the original Navigator. It will be interesting to see if the Flex can get a special buzz going among those who buy people movers.
 
Exactly! Ford has the unique history of being a market leader, followed by a decade of neglect over and over again.

#1715 of 2971 Re: Another Autoblog reviews [gregg_vw] by kenb757

Jul 10, 2008 (11:12 am)

Replying to: gregg_vw (Jul 10, 2008 6:20 am)
The Maxima won't win any points for refinement but the Genesis might gain some points if the Hyundai dealer network can overcome the carnival mark buying an Accent mentality.

#1716 of 2971 theman123 by marsha7

Jul 10, 2008 (3:33 pm)

"Like Americans are to stupid to realize were the design came from"...I believe too many ofthem are too stupid...
 
In my early years living in Detroit, 1980, 81, 82, there was a guy who said to me that he would never own a Ford Maverick because they were junk, but the quality of a Mercury (their version) was a sight to behold...remember, this was soemone who was from Detroit, and he thought the two cars were radically different...not only were they made side by side, but change the taillights and dashboard, and they were identical...
 
NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the American public...

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