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Lincoln MKS, Sedan
#1042 of 2971 Re: 2009 MKS Unleashed [akirby]
Nov 14, 2007 (12:01 pm)
To each his own. To my eye, the CTS has its own very recognizable look. The MKS, while attractive in a way, is an amalgam of styling cliches out there now. And now Lincoln will have yet another look among its zoo of Town Car, Navigator, MKX, MKZ...not a one looks like it is related to another. It will be years before Lincoln converts the line to this new look, if in fact they do.
Lincoln is in trouble. Cadillac is not. Lincoln will sell a fair number of S's, but it is not an exportable car (too big at 203+"). How difficult would it have been to keep the length around the magic five meters for a premium export and still offer all the same room and features? It is just not good planning.
I don't know. I would love to be a cheerleader for FoMoCo again, but they gotta do better what with Hyundai, Kia, and now GM grabbing their market share. And don't forget the Chinese. Ten more years of this, and it could be all over for Ford, as some other giant buys it for the Mustang and F150 names.
#1043 of 2971 Re: 2009 MKS Unleashed [gregg_vw]
Nov 14, 2007 (12:09 pm)
I'm driving to Pasadena today for business. If I have time, I may visit the LA auto show over the weekend. Maybe I'll change my mind once I see the mks. But I doubt it.
And the CTS is far from ugly. It's a much better looking car inside and out than the mks and it's cheaper and it's RWD and u can get a manual and it oozes luxury, performance and style. I used to be a big Ford fan, that's fading fast. I dont think it will take 10 years for Ford to succumb. With the "new" stuff they're bringing out (starting to see the commercials for the new Focus - geez, how to screw up a free lunch on that one, plus they dropped two body styles) and their non-competitive engines both performance AND mileage are wors than the other guys (that's gotta take some work) AND they are totally clueless as to what their brands are spposed to be, ask anyone. I dont even think they want to sell me a car anymore. Lincolns are for minorities, Jags are for "alternative lifestyle" folks, Mercurys are for women. That leaves me with Ford I guess.
The only car they seem to understand is the Mustang. And with a flavor of the month Mustang, they continue to prove that. But with Camaro and Challenger due on the scene, that show will soon be in reruns.
Oh well, at least a rapper will make a million or two.
#1044 of 2971 Re: 2009 MKS Unleashed [jeyhoe]
Nov 14, 2007 (12:49 pm)
It must be tough to go through life with such unrealistically high expectations.
Considering the platform limitations, I think this is about the best that could be done until the MKR shows up on the RWD Huntsman platform.
Why are you guys totally ignoring all the new features? Hidden door keypad, front parking sensors, rear camera, keyless entry and start, adaptive HID lights, rain sensing wipers, manumatic shifting, etc. etc.
And that wonderful Cadillac engine only has 273 lb/ft of torque compared to 265 in the MKS, so don't count on the performance being that much worse.
Why not compare it to a Mercedes E350 and see how it stacks up.
#1045 of 2971 Hint of Suzuki?
Nov 14, 2007 (4:23 pm)
I think the MKS will be an all around decent car. But the stlyling doesn't rub me right. i mean its nice and all, but for seem reason, to me, the back end looks like a Suzuki Forenza/Chevrolet Lacetti. Did anyone else notice that?
#1046 of 2971 Re: Hint of Suzuki? [tncarman]
Nov 14, 2007 (6:32 pm)
"I think the MKS will be an all around decent car."
I agree 100%. I kind of like the exterior styling, but that's what it seems to be: a decent car. In this class, it doesn't pay to be 'decent'.
I kind of agree that 30 hp doesn't seem like much, but believe you me, it is.
I hope ford is on schedule with the new V6.
#1047 of 2971 Excellent Features and Form
Nov 14, 2007 (10:00 pm)
The MKS has excellent features, and from the photos, appears to also look better, and different, than many competing vehicles. Of course, looking at pictures and seeing the real car are two completely different things. However, the photos and the features list make me even more anxious to arrive at the LA Auto Show at lunch time on Sunday.
Does anyone know the weight of the MKS? That will make a big difference in how it performs (accelerates, stops, and handles).
I noticed that the Lincoln site indicates that theengine output numbers are preliminary, indicating that the final figures for the 3.7 may be higher than the numbers now being published. I suspect the final figures will be more like 280 HP & 270 F-Lbs.
I also wonder if theMKS will require premium? I'll bet it will not, and if so, represents a significant savings compared to most compedting vehicles.
#1048 of 2971 For your viewing pleasure
Nov 14, 2007 (10:17 pm)
2009 Lincoln MKS reveal at the LA Auto Show.
I've read allot of people have been complaining that the MKS is only going to have 270-277 HP at launch. The rumor that I'm hearing is that a year after it's launch they are going to put the Twin Force 415HP engine in the MKS. Also, if you listen to the presentation. They say the MKS is going to start under $38.000 and it's bigger on the inside than the Lexus GS and Caddy STS
#1049 of 2971 Re: For your viewing pleasure [theman123]
Nov 15, 2007 (6:34 am)
It won't be 415 hp - that was a special concept engine. But it should put out 350-380 hp in the MKS. And it's not a rumor - it's been known for quite some time.
#1050 of 2971 Re: Excellent Features and Form [fsmmcsi]
Nov 15, 2007 (7:01 am)
The weight is listed at 4127 for FWD and 4276 for AWD. Interestingly, it says 87 octane fuel but then it says "premium recommended." I think you may be correct that final HP and Torque figures may be better than initial numbers. I am not sure we know the whole story on the base engine yet.
#1051 of 2971 Cadillac direct injection
Nov 15, 2007 (10:03 am)
This is old news but for those who keep bringing up the CTS the October issue of Motor Trend has this:
GM insiders know that they have a minor NVH problem with the new 3.6 liter direct injection V6 fitted to the new CTS and STS. Frustratingly, they know it's a problem that can't be fixed; it's a design fault.......
So, do we want things fast or do we want things right? Another note: As Akirby has pointed out, anyone who compares the CTS with the MKS will have to notice that the CTS is a compact, interior wise, compared with the Lincoln. Apples and Oranges, folks.
One last thing: The specs say the MKS will have power tilt and telescope wheel. I was afraid it would have a lever similar to a farm implement like the MKZ. Thankfully, that will not be the case.