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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [paisan] by jsyaruss
Apr 05, 2007 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 05, 2007 10:05 am)

the V8 is AWD.
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [jsyaruss] by paisan
Apr 05, 2007 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: jsyaruss (Apr 05, 2007 12:08 pm)

Oh so it's FWD based then? Transverse engine with most power going to the front?
 
-mike
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [paisan] by jsyaruss
Apr 05, 2007 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 05, 2007 12:21 pm)

good Q and one i've been meaning to post on the list to ask. Is the AWD system in the S80 the same - what did they call, it "precharged" system -- they put in the XC90 and S60R a couple of years back? (I have the 05 S60R and it's mostly FWD from what I understand...that said, it does stick to the road beautifully...i have absolutley no complaints except that i go through tires pretty quickly
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [jsyaruss] by capoany
Apr 05, 2007 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: jsyaruss (Apr 05, 2007 12:46 pm)

The V8 is AWD, but FWD biased...to the tune of 95%. So it's like a Jaguar X-type. The only reason they did AWD was to mask FWD underpinnings and make it remotely acceptable to the market. The S80 3.2 is FWD...and dives, wallows and squats accordingly at speed. Not remotely a contender versus similarly priced asian/ euro RWD luxo competitors. Mind you, I've owned three straight Volvos, including an S80 T6. I'm not bashing, I'm just hugely disappointed in the brand and this model in particular. And weighing in on the business case and sales potential for this car. I don't begrudge anyone for buying it.
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [capoany] by paisan
Apr 05, 2007 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: capoany (Apr 05, 2007 12:54 pm)

Capoany, that's what I thought, but wasn't sure. So yeah it's a part-time AWD system with a transverse engine.... Shame.
 
-mike
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [paisan] by lev_berkovich
Apr 05, 2007 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 05, 2007 12:56 pm)

No, it's full time AWD with the FWD bias. It does transfer more power to the RW as needed during the acceleration. And AWD there is not just to "hide" the FWD, but to provide a sufficient traction during the full throttle acceleration.
The pre-charged system does not require front wheel splipage, and distributes as much torque to the RW as it needed (up to 50/50, I think). although I've seen number as high as 65-70% by actual measurements on dynamometers.
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [capoany] by qbrozen
Apr 05, 2007 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: capoany (Apr 05, 2007 12:54 pm)

Not remotely a contender versus similarly priced asian/ euro RWD luxo competitors.
 
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what those are.
 
BMWs and Benzes are too expensive. The RL has no V8. Seems like the infiniti M class is about as close as it gets. And even that starts a few grand more, right?
 
By the way, I just finished reading C&D's review this month. Man, did they bash it. I still think they really miss the price argument, though. They mentioned in one sentence how it gives a real nice V8 at competitors' V6 prices, but I guess that didn't impress them enough to give the car any sort of credit for value. oh well.
 
they even go out of their way to point out how a Jag Stype 4.2, which finished last in a luxo comparison a little while back, would still finish ahead of the S80 .... ummmm... guys, that Jag starts at $10k more!
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [qbrozen] by capoany
Apr 06, 2007 (4:37 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Apr 05, 2007 5:26 pm)

My sense is that once people approach the $50K threshold, which even to someone of means is still a lot of money, they don't want to rationalize, compromise or explain. They want what they want. MB/Audi/BMW/Lexus/Infiniti...pretty clear as to what they are and where they fit in the driveway foodchain. S80 needs a lot of rationalization. Again, just looking at the marketing challenge. I'm eager to see the sales figures at years end.
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [capoany] by paisan
Apr 06, 2007 (4:46 am)
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Replying to: capoany (Apr 06, 2007 4:37 am)

Here is the thing. I work with the BMW/MB/Lexus/Infinity/Jag crowd. You know the rich folks who are fairly stuffy, go to the golf course, etc. etc.
 
Once you are up into the price range we are talking about with the S80, saving 10k doesn't buy you anything. At that point for $10k you will gladly buy the more expensive car so as not to be ridiculed at the club. While the S80 V8 may or may not be a great car for the price, it's still a Volvo and it's still not respected in those circles.
 
Folks in the rung down from the rich folks will buy a "cheap" BMW or MB or Lexus or Infinity or Jag just to have the name plate.
 
Heck I'm a trader on wall street and one guy on our desk bought a Volvo and he was ridiculed for weeks and months by the BMW/MB crowd. I'm lucky I am an assistant trader so they only gave me a small amount of flack for my Armada and Subarus.
 
So my point is who are they marketing this to? I find it to be neither here nor there.
 
-mike
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Re: So, is anyone buying these? [paisan] by qbrozen
Apr 06, 2007 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 06, 2007 4:46 am)

i feel sorry for the people you describe.

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