Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

7263 messages, Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?

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#7239 of 7263 Re: Who cares? [nvbanker] by bpizzuti Apr 14, 2009 (9:44 am)
Replying to: nvbanker (Apr 14, 2009 9:35 am) Well, it really depends. Most small business CEOs don't want or need help. Seems to be only the CEOs of companies big enough to send production outside the borders to save money...which they then use to buy their very own K-street lobbyists. Ahh if only cars could be made by small businesses,,, Replies to this message: fintail (Apr 14, 2009 9:46 am) nvbanker (Apr 14, 2009 9:50 am)
#7240 of 7263 Re: Who cares? [bpizzuti] by fintail Apr 14, 2009 (9:46 am)
Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 14, 2009 9:44 am) You can always buy a Morgan
#7241 of 7263 Re: Who cares? [bpizzuti] by nvbanker Apr 14, 2009 (9:50 am)
Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 14, 2009 9:44 am) You're right, nor could they get federal bailout money if they wanted it. You can count on one hand all of the bailouts actually disbursed to date. GM & Chrysler are 2 of them.
#7242 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [lemko] by dglozman Apr 16, 2009 (10:03 am)
Replying to: lemko (Apr 13, 2009 6:27 am) Lemko, just a thought, - you seems like want people on this board to be open minded and encourage them to try Buick or Cadillac - claiming that they make cars that are on par or superior to their Japanese and German counterparts. But in the same time in more then one of your posts you completely disregard anything made by Hyundai. Is your opinion based on Hyundai Excel from late 80's same as opinion of others who think about quality of American cars based on 1985 Ford Tempo, Chevy Cavalier or Olds Delta 88? Have you tried Genesis or Sonata? Can you see yourself driving one? Is there anything Hyundai or Kia could do to convince you to buy one of their cars? Replies to this message: nvbanker (Apr 16, 2009 10:18 am) lemko (Apr 16, 2009 10:39 am) dieselone (Apr 16, 2009 10:47 am) lemko (Apr 16, 2009 10:50 am) and 1 more... andre1969 (Apr 16, 2009 11:53 am) m1miata (Apr 16, 2009 10:49 pm) andre1969 (Apr 17, 2009 4:32 am) and 1 more... rockylee (Apr 30, 2009 9:13 am) rockylee (Apr 30, 2009 11:45 am) andre1969 (Apr 17, 2009 4:41 am)
#7243 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [dglozman] by nvbanker Apr 16, 2009 (10:18 am)
Replying to: dglozman (Apr 16, 2009 10:03 am) It's hard not to at least acknowledge the Hyundai of today, if you drive one. The Sonata is at least 95% as pleasing as the Camry is, and the Azera - well, it's quite unbelievable frankly. It's about 115% as nice as the Camry is, even the XLE..... I've not tried a Genesis - afraid it would make me doubt my Lexus! I will say however, that even if it does, I can't drive a Hyundai in that price range - it would need some type of more appropriate moniker to actually compete with Lexus. IMO.
#7244 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [dglozman] by lemko Apr 16, 2009 (10:39 am)
Replying to: dglozman (Apr 16, 2009 10:03 am) My brother has a Sonata and it's an OK car...for him. He's not the car fanatic I am. All of Hyundai's cars are too small for my tastes and that includes the Genesis. They have a big KDM car that's more my size. I think it's called the Eqquus. I used to like Hyundai and Kia when they did their own thing. The Kia Amanti is a funky car that looks like a Buick LeSabre with an E-Class front end sporting a Chrysler grille. The previous Optima had sort of a mid-60s Mopar compact look about it - not exactly - but a touch of the flavor. Today's Kia and Hyundai cars, (aside from the Amanti) look like their bland Japanese competition. The Hyundai Sonata looks too much like an Accord and the Azera resembles a Camry. The Genesis seems to me like a knock-off of an Avalon. Which Olds 88 are we talking about? If we're talking about the gasoline-powered RWD B-body 1980-85 Olds 88, it was an excellent car I'd purchase in a New York second. If your talking about the mediocre 1986 era FWD V-6 car, it's bad but not Excel bad. Some slick salesman tried to push a new 1987 Olds 88 on me, but I bought a superior 1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic instead. 1980s Ford Tempos and Chevy Cavaliers were crap and such cars are not even on my radar then or now. They were as bad as Excels IMHO. I guess if I had to get a Kia or Hyundia, the Amanti would be the one I'd most likely purchase. Replies to this message: dieselone (Apr 16, 2009 10:47 am) lemko (Apr 16, 2009 10:50 am) xrunner2 (Apr 17, 2009 7:52 am) andre1969 (Apr 16, 2009 11:53 am) m1miata (Apr 16, 2009 10:49 pm) andre1969 (Apr 17, 2009 4:32 am) dieselone (Apr 17, 2009 4:55 am) rockylee (Apr 30, 2009 9:13 am) rockylee (Apr 30, 2009 11:45 am) andre1969 (Apr 17, 2009 4:41 am)
#7245 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [lemko] by dieselone Apr 16, 2009 (10:47 am)
Replying to: lemko (Apr 16, 2009 10:39 am) 1980s Ford Tempos and Chevy Cavaliers were crap and such cars are not even on my radar then or now. Except occasionally when I see one on the road. My first though is " I can't believe that POS is still running", and the second is "I can't believe someone is still willing to drive it". I guess it's better than walking but only barely. Disclosure: I had the luxury (cough, cough, not) of driving an '85 Tempo for a while back in the early 90's. It was umm, yeah, better than walking..... Replies to this message: lemko (Apr 16, 2009 10:50 am) xrunner2 (Apr 17, 2009 7:52 am) andre1969 (Apr 16, 2009 11:53 am)
#7246 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [dieselone] by lemko Apr 16, 2009 (10:50 am)
Replying to: dieselone (Apr 16, 2009 10:47 am) I pretty much agree, however, I think I'd rather walk than drive a Tempo. I'm more likely to arrive at my destination that way and suffer a lot less embarrassment. Replies to this message: xrunner2 (Apr 17, 2009 7:52 am)
#7247 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [dieselone] by andre1969 Apr 16, 2009 (11:53 am)
Replying to: dieselone (Apr 16, 2009 10:47 am) Disclosure: I had the luxury (cough, cough, not) of driving an '85 Tempo for a while back in the early 90's. It was umm, yeah, better than walking..... My stepdad had a 1984 Tempo GL coupe, bought brand-new. I hated that car, but I also didn't get along with my stepdad, so that probably influenced my opinion of the car. I did get to drive it once. That was more than enough. Slow piece of junk, and made my '80 Malibu with its 115 hp V-6 feel like a musclecar in comparison. They got that car to around 160,000 miles, and then traded on a '91 Stanza, which oddly, would prove to not be nearly as reliable. The Tempo was still on its original engine and tranny, but I think they did have other problems with it. Can't remember what now, though. There's a house near my mechanic's shop with a 4-car carport. It has not one, but TWO Tempos parked underneath! Also has an AMC Hornet and, occasionally, an 80's Cutlass Supreme sedan. I guess the Cutlass is the only one that runs, since it's occasionally not there.
#7248 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [lemko] by m1miata Apr 16, 2009 (10:49 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Apr 16, 2009 10:39 am) You need to thank your guardian angel, since you stayed away from the '87 Olds 88, if was anything like the Olds98 Regency in '87 I made the mistake of going with that one instead of the Cutlass 442, which was RWD 180HP V8 and a better car. The Hurst dual shifter was quite the novelty. I think America can do RWD better, so I may get a Stang or Vette next for the play car. Maybe the '03-'04 Stang, or a brand new one, which in its own way is has some selling points over the previous model, though the older one, to me seems trim and shall we say really simple. The New Stang is pretty nice for 2010. The 3.5V6 though is STILL MISSING, the current V6 is OK and the V8 a very good option. As for Vettes, I still prefer the C5 look. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Apr 17, 2009 4:32 am) dieselone (Apr 17, 2009 4:55 am) rockylee (Apr 30, 2009 9:13 am) rockylee (Apr 30, 2009 11:45 am)