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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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Who cares? by m1miata
Apr 13, 2009 (6:00 pm)
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Who, with half a brain, really cares what a celebrity drives? I wish singer / songwriters would get back to producing quality work, and step away from the lectern, as there is no need to preach. Let the pastors preach the sermons, and the politicians spread the bull !!! What does a golfer know about cars, or an actor know about World politics? - Usually, very little. Even should they be, ever so well informed, it is there ability as a star which I am impressed with and not their religion, politics, or fashion. Good grief, do we really need more Brittany Spears photos???
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Re: Who cares? [m1miata] by bpizzuti
Apr 13, 2009 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Apr 13, 2009 6:00 pm)

I dunno, I ended up pretty impressed with the political smarts of guys like Jesse Ventura and Arnie the Governator. Sometimes you just never can tell....though it's true that at least 80% of them only know how to act like a politician.
 
Then again, at least 80% of CEOs taking taxpayer bailouts only know how to act like a CEO. This includes several present and recently terminated executives working in Michigan (except for Dearborn, heh).
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Buy Chinese if you are Warren Buffett by gagrice
Apr 13, 2009 (8:22 pm)
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Last fall Berkshire Hathaway bought 10% of BYD for $230 million. The deal, which is awaiting final approval from the Chinese government, didn't get much notice at the time. It was announced in late September, as the global financial markets teetered on the abyss. But Buffett and Munger and Sokol think it is a very big deal indeed. They think BYD has a shot at becoming the world's largest automaker, primarily by selling electric cars, as well as a leader in the fast-growing solar power industry.
 
BYD has also begun selling a plug-in electric car with a backup gasoline engine, a move putting it ahead of GM, Nissan, and Toyota. BYD's plug-in, called the F3DM (for "dual mode"), goes farther on a single charge - 62 miles - than other electric vehicles and sells for about $22,000, less than the plug-in Prius and much-hyped Chevy Volt are expected to cost when they hit the market in late 2010. Put simply, this little-known upstart has accelerated ahead of its much bigger rivals in the race to build an affordable electric car. Today BYD employs 130,000 people in 11 factories, eight in China and one each in India, Hungary, and Romania.

 
GM is toast. Rocky should find out who will be selling the electric cars from China and get in on the ground floor.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/13/technology/gunther_electric.fortune/index.htm
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Re: Who cares? [bpizzuti] by nvbanker
Apr 14, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 13, 2009 6:11 pm)

Exactly how many CEOs out od thehundreds of thousands of CEOs are asking for bailouts, let alone getting one? This whole thing is so overblown.
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Re: Who cares? [nvbanker] by bpizzuti
Apr 14, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Apr 14, 2009 9:35 am)

Well, it really depends. Most small business CEOs don't want or need help. Seems to be only the CEOs of companies big enough to send production outside the borders to save money...which they then use to buy their very own K-street lobbyists.
 
Ahh if only cars could be made by small businesses,,,
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Re: Who cares? [bpizzuti] by fintail
Apr 14, 2009 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 14, 2009 9:44 am)

You can always buy a Morgan
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Re: Who cares? [bpizzuti] by nvbanker
Apr 14, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 14, 2009 9:44 am)

You're right, nor could they get federal bailout money if they wanted it. You can count on one hand all of the bailouts actually disbursed to date. GM & Chrysler are 2 of them.
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Re: Buy American. [lemko] by dglozman
Apr 16, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 13, 2009 6:27 am)

Lemko, just a thought, - you seems like want people on this board to be open minded and encourage them to try Buick or Cadillac - claiming that they make cars that are on par or superior to their Japanese and German counterparts. But in the same time in more then one of your posts you completely disregard anything made by Hyundai.
Is your opinion based on Hyundai Excel from late 80's same as opinion of others who think about quality of American cars based on 1985 Ford Tempo, Chevy Cavalier or Olds Delta 88?
 
Have you tried Genesis or Sonata? Can you see yourself driving one? Is there anything Hyundai or Kia could do to convince you to buy one of their cars?
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Re: Buy American. [dglozman] by nvbanker
Apr 16, 2009 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: dglozman (Apr 16, 2009 10:03 am)

It's hard not to at least acknowledge the Hyundai of today, if you drive one. The Sonata is at least 95% as pleasing as the Camry is, and the Azera - well, it's quite unbelievable frankly. It's about 115% as nice as the Camry is, even the XLE.....
 
I've not tried a Genesis - afraid it would make me doubt my Lexus! I will say however, that even if it does, I can't drive a Hyundai in that price range - it would need some type of more appropriate moniker to actually compete with Lexus. IMO.
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Re: Buy American. [dglozman] by lemko
Apr 16, 2009 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: dglozman (Apr 16, 2009 10:03 am)

My brother has a Sonata and it's an OK car...for him. He's not the car fanatic I am. All of Hyundai's cars are too small for my tastes and that includes the Genesis. They have a big KDM car that's more my size. I think it's called the Eqquus.
 
I used to like Hyundai and Kia when they did their own thing. The Kia Amanti is a funky car that looks like a Buick LeSabre with an E-Class front end sporting a Chrysler grille. The previous Optima had sort of a mid-60s Mopar compact look about it - not exactly - but a touch of the flavor.
 
Today's Kia and Hyundai cars, (aside from the Amanti) look like their bland Japanese competition. The Hyundai Sonata looks too much like an Accord and the Azera resembles a Camry. The Genesis seems to me like a knock-off of an Avalon.
 
Which Olds 88 are we talking about? If we're talking about the gasoline-powered RWD B-body 1980-85 Olds 88, it was an excellent car I'd purchase in a New York second. If your talking about the mediocre 1986 era FWD V-6 car, it's bad but not Excel bad. Some slick salesman tried to push a new 1987 Olds 88 on me, but I bought a superior 1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic instead.
 
1980s Ford Tempos and Chevy Cavaliers were crap and such cars are not even on my radar then or now. They were as bad as Excels IMHO.
 
I guess if I had to get a Kia or Hyundia, the Amanti would be the one I'd most likely purchase.

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