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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

7263 messages,  Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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Re: Intersting reading [lilengineerboy] by bpizzuti
Jan 26, 2009 (5:59 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jan 26, 2009 4:27 am)

Remove the GM stuff and I agree with you. Ford is on an excellent path.
 
GM on the other hand, is not...turns out their offer to reduce their brands was nothing but smoke and mirrors, and while the Malibu is a decent vehicle, it's overshadowed by the competition (particularly said Fusion). The crossovers are icky. Auto-parking was pioneered by Audi or Lexus I believe, though Ford has the blind spot detection and Sync.
 
I find it interesting that most of the stuff you pointed to is Ford. Ford is really doing great..they've got a plan for survival, don't anticipate needing a bailout, have some great innovative products, etc. GM...not so much. They've got too many brands, can't shrink or eliminate any of them (or don't want to), and the only true innovation they've got coming out is the Volt. The Cruze might be good, the CTS is good, the 3-row crossovers aren't bad, the Malibu can hold up against anything except Honda, Ford, Toyota, and Nissan. it's all downhill from their in their entire lineup.
 
Chrysler's a dead man walking. GM has a chance but they're not making the right decisions right now.
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Re: Intersting reading [bpizzuti] by lemko
Jan 26, 2009 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 26, 2009 5:59 am)

The Malibu can hold up against anything.
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Re: Intersting reading [lemko] by bpizzuti
Jan 26, 2009 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 26, 2009 7:50 am)

I disagree. it's not a bad vehicle, but Ford, Toyota and Honda have set the bar pretty high when it comes to midsize sedans. Adequate just isn't good enough in that segment.
 
Of course, Chrysler doesn't even make "adequate."
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Re: Intersting reading [bpizzuti] by berri
Jan 26, 2009 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 26, 2009 8:21 am)

I don't think people are rooting aginst Detroit. It's just that they've been burned too many times with false promises and mediocrity at best. I think a lot of people are waiting to see how these new Detroit models hold up over 3-6 years before dropping their money on one. I have to wonder that if Detroit really has vehicles that will hold up long term as well as Toyota or Honda, why don't they put a Hyundai type warranty on them? There is a lot of Detroit talk, but little action. Chrysler has the very limited powertrain thing, but that's about it. Personally, I keep cars around 6 or 7 years, so this initial quality stuff doesn't mean much to me.
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Re: Intersting reading [berri] by lemko
Jan 26, 2009 (11:44 am)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 26, 2009 8:47 am)

I don't have to wonder. My Buick Park Avenue and Cadillac Brougham have held up extremely well for 21 and 20 years respectively. I agree that it wouldn't hurt them to have a Hyundai type warranty anyway. I thought Chrysler already had a lifetime warranty?
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Re: Intersting reading [lemko] by bpizzuti
Jan 26, 2009 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 26, 2009 11:44 am)

I thought Chrysler already had a lifetime warranty?
 
That's the the lifetime of Chrysler, which means all of those warranties will go bust within a year.
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Re: Intersting reading [bpizzuti] by farout
Jan 27, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 26, 2009 12:05 pm)

Do you own a Chrysler vehicle with a Lifetime Powertain Warranty? I doubt it very much. So....why the heck are you so concerned about their warranty? I have bought 17 Chrysler made vehicles and I currently own a Pacifica Touring AWD with the Lifetime warranty. I am not concerned about Chrysler being able to up hold their warranty.
 
Personally I am rather hacked off at those who gripe about "American" made vehicles, and those who have nothing good to say about anything but Asian made vehicles.
 
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Re: Intersting reading [bpizzuti] by andre1969
Jan 27, 2009 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 26, 2009 12:05 pm)

That's the the lifetime of Chrysler, which means all of those warranties will go bust within a year.
 
I know I shouldn't laugh, considering I've tended to have a preference for Chrysler products, but that was pretty funny. Gotta admit, I was thinking the same thing!
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The good and bad side of the economy by dave8697
Jan 27, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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I looked at my budget and then saw what part of it went to America and what part went to foreign built products.
I was suprised that 35% of my gross income went to taxes collected by various governments.
I was also suprised that 9% went to insurance so that I don't lose too big a part of what the 56% that was then left has enabled me to acquire through the years.
96.2% of my expenses went to American entities. 3.8% went to foreign entities. Part of that 3.8% was $67 a month to Best Buy for a Sharp TV bought on 18 months no interest. I think it was made in China. Gasoline was assumed to be 1/3 foreign.
I was suprised at how little disposable income I have and how I am driven to spend that chunk on foreign products. Trying to steer that 3 or 4% into American products would take a lot of effort. Too bad that everyone's 3 or 4% is going to China these days. Got to stay busy getting the gov't their 35% and don't have time to search for American choices.
 
The other 96% American? it goes to everything else: the water plant employees, ATT employees, the tellers at the bank, the guys who built my house, burn coal at the electric plant, pipe in the natural gas, the gov't employees with their awesome pensions, and the wealthy insurance company owners and employees. None of these industries are suffering much in this recession. They keep getting 96% and there is no way to reduce what I have to pay them. Maybe that's why McCain said in the late spring that the economy was fundamentally sound.
 
I could see how buying a new foreign car could more than double the % to foreign. Of course it has to take away from buying American, doubling the impact, unless I got a big raise as I bought the foreign car.
 
The 3.8% is harmful. 5% more on a foreign car is even worse.
 
Turning the tables: If I were a typical Japanese person, what would be my % spent on American products? I actually can't think of anything they would buy. maybe the soybeans in their soy sauce? Maybe the raw wood in their house? Maybe the scrap steel molecules in their Toyota? The guy next to me got laid off today. How far down will we ride the foreign purchase spiral?
 
Obama has so little dial to turn for the economy.
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Re: The good and bad side of the economy [dave8697] by 62vetteefp
Jan 28, 2009 (3:35 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 27, 2009 6:23 pm)

How about a good american artist on CD? whoops they are owned by Japan.

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