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Automotive News & Views Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?
7263 messages, Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM
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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?
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I think these forums on Edmunds have been discussing the bankruptcy of the Big 3 since 2001. It's a constant topic year after year. The PRO Big 3 here have said for years GM will never go bankrupt. The Anti-Big 3 here have said for years bankruptcy is inevitable. I hate to say I told you so, but.... 
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Replying to: andres3 (Dec 17, 2008 11:38 am) 
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 11:50 am) |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 11:50 am) 1) Poor quality, reliability, and customer service for decades. 2) Overpricing and Overbuilding their undesireable products. 3) Poor engineering and design no one wants to buy. 4) Paying UAW workers $70+/hour after benefits. 5) Paying UAW workers to not work. 6) Paying for nice Lear Jets rather than paying for quality parts in the vehicles they sell. 7) Putting the money into bonuses and paychecks rather than for quality fit and finish and build quality in the vehiclesx they sell. 8) Not stepping up to the plate to honor warranties for known issues, even after the warranty period. P.S. Without asking for it, I got an email from Sony the other day that stated that my SXRD model year 2006 50" television just had the optical block warranty extended to June 30, 2010 REGARDLESS of the purchase date. Chrysler would NEVER in a milllion years do something like that. I've heard Honda did something similar with their V6 equipped vehicles that had less than durable auto trannies and extended 100K warranties to them. |
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Replying to: andres3 (Dec 17, 2008 12:16 pm) Honda had tranny problems with Odysseys that were addressed as a part of a class action suit and there's talk of a new one. Honda has been proactive with fixing busted CR-V AC compressors out of warranty. Chrysler issued an EXTENDED WARRANTY ON ALL 1997-2000 CARAVANS/GRAND CARAVANS for all AC compressor repairs (emphasis from the link). They were skinny on the VINs covered but they covered some.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 17, 2008 11:50 am) I am hoping in 5 years their products will lead the world again. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 17, 2008 12:43 pm) Regards, OW |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 17, 2008 12:43 pm) It didn't work, that car was in the shop every 3 to 4 months. I received absolutely NO out of warranty assistance, and the A/C literally gave out within 100 miles or 1 month of the 3 year 36K warranty expiring.
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Replying to: andres3 (Dec 17, 2008 2:15 pm) Chrysler has taken similar actions with minivan clocksprings. And some other stuff, but perhaps as part of a settlement of class action suits. |
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Sony is not the GM of electronics. Sony has always consistently been the best TV and Monitor maker bar none! They have never failed to remain in the lead on reliability, durability, and picture quality on their TV's and Monitors, and flat screens. Now... their other electronics outside of that..... yes... that is GM-like. But monitors and TV's are Sony's Acura.....oh wait, GM doesn't have an Acura (Cadillac closest thing). Sony still made the best big screens with SXRD technology, and they make some of the best LCD flatscreens, leading the way with new technologies like the new 11" super flat organic gizmo TV thing.  Overpriced.... hardly... I've heard of so many issues with other TV brands that I can understand while people will buy extended warranties on electronics even though CR tells you to never do so. Having had Sony TV's in our family almost my whole life, I understand what durability and quality are, starting with an 87 Trinitron that still works, and a '94 Trinitron that still works almost like new! Extended warranties woudl have been a waste of money on those sets. On the more recent big screen phenomenon, yes, reliability has gone down with the new HDTV tech, but I convinced Sony to pay for the parts to fix my 2 year old set 1 year after warranty. I paid labor (fair deal; though they would have been smarter to just pay for the whole thing (now I own a 26" Sharp TV in addition to my 50" Sony). So they opened the door to me considering other brands, but they still retained my business. Had they paid the whole shabang, I'd of never bought any other brand (they met me halfway). Now Sony is one company that can blame the economy for their recent poor performance. I don't think an electronic company that is doing well right now even exists due to the depression/recession. However, Sony is hit even harder because they really are the Acura/Lexus/Audi/BMW of TV's, so now people are buying the Honda's, Toyotas, VW, and MIni's instead Dell, Vizio, LG of TV's would be the more lowly brands).
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