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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

7263 messages,  Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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by anythngbutgm
Dec 04, 2008 (12:25 pm)
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"Imagine a huge/heavy 8 passenger vehicle with a V8 high HP engine with a large payload capacity"
 
Escalade Hybrid: 202.5" x 79" x 75.9"
Traverse: 205" x 78.4" x 72.8"
 
EH: 8 passenger seating
Enclave: Same
Traverse: 7
 
EH Payload: 1339 lbs
Traverse: 1444 lbs
FWIW Enclave: 1631 lbs
 
Towing capacity EH: 5600 lbs
Traverse: 5200 lbs
 
going from 14 mpg to 20 mpg (42% increase) seems easy but it is quite amazing.
 
EH: 20/20/20
Traverse: 16/23/19
 
I guess I'm more impressed with how well they did with the Lambda.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [anythngbutgm] by circlew
Dec 04, 2008 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 6:14 am)

I agree. The BOF SUV's will be dwindling and the CUV's will probably be Hybridized.
 
The slick part of the oil market and the fact that OPEC is letting the market cave in is a catch22 for the U.S.
 
They know that drillers will discontinue at a high rate and that high prices will be right around the corner.
 
Regards,
OW
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Gas gong under $1? by 62vetteefp
Dec 05, 2008 (4:05 am)
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There is no doubt the current recession and credit crunch has been hitting Americans’ squarely in the wallet, but there appears to be at least one bit of silver lining to the economic downturn – lower gas prices.
 
For the month of January, crude oil futures fell to just $43.67, the lowest per barrel price since January 2005. Moreover, many industry experts are predicting that crude oil could fall below $25 per barrel early next year.
 
“We’ve got the U.S, U.K., Europe and Japan all in recession for the first time since World War II, and the oil market is reacting,” Chip Hodge, a managing director at MFC Global Investment Management in Boston, told Bloomberg. If China starts to feel the effects of a recession, prices could plummet even lower.
 
To put $25 per barrel into perspective, crude oil hit a high of $147.27 per barrel in July, resulting in a per gallon national average record of $4.11 per gallon. At the current per barrel rate of about $44, national prices are hovering around $1.78 per gallon, meaning a drop to $25 or less could result in gas prices tumbling below a dollar per gallon.
 
That’s good news for individual families, but a sad commentary on the current state of the world economy.
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Re: Gas gong under $1? [62vetteefp] by circlew
Dec 05, 2008 (4:40 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 05, 2008 4:05 am)

The irony is that now is the time to redouble efforts for automotive efficiency and drastically reduce our dependence on the oil industry which in my view is the leading factor in all economic moves in this current and last century.
 
I am all for Hybrids and full electric tech. I am sure most members here at Edmunds knows the price of oil will not stay at these levels as the economy turns. The cycles of price fluctuations are fast and burned the Big 3 BIG TIME. We all can not be blind to energy independence as a major goal in the next new economy.
 
"We won't be fooled again!"
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [bumpy] by gagrice
Dec 05, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 04, 2008 8:38 am)

You got me on that one. I guess in my mind there is NEVER a good time to buy a Prius or any other hybrid. Right now is a good time to buy most any car you like as they are all pretty much red tagged. I got a notice from my Mercedes dealer. As much as $30,000 off of selected models.
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Re: imidaz [marsha7] by gagrice
Dec 05, 2008 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 04, 2008 9:48 am)

the actual name for that, no surprise, is "pattern bargaining"
 
That is how it works. The Teamsters moved our contract date to be first every 3 years. They knew our management was weak. We were also a Co-op so it was easy to get past the board. We would get a nice raise and then they would go after the much bigger AT&T bargaining unit showing the current market wage. Most of the time it worked as we had a reputation for stealing the good techs from AT&T.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [gagrice] by fintail
Dec 05, 2008 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 05, 2008 7:14 am)

Of course that's for a car that bases at around 150K and has many witheringly expensive options available...and has such steep depreciation that if you trade it in 5-6 years and only 30K miles, you'll cry at the offers you receive.
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Escalade Hybrid [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Dec 05, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 04, 2008 10:53 am)

The new Escalade Hybrid does not match up in any way to the competition. The GL320 CDI is also made in America and will tow 2000 lbs more and is rated 23 MPG highway. I talked to an owner that gets 28 MPG cruising 75 MPH all day. And the Mercedes is about $10k less than the Caddy. Is the Escalade built in the USA or one of our neighbors?
 
To me the Escalade is better looking than the Mercedes GL. Unless they have changed the seats in the Escalade since 2007 they are not comfortable for me. I really liked the seats in the 2006 and earlier. New ones are too hard, feel like foam on plywood.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [fintail] by gagrice
Dec 05, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 05, 2008 7:36 am)

Why don't the high end Mercedes hold their value better? I had a couple try to trade a S600 with very low miles on my Mercedes Sprinter RV. I was tempted as it was a NICE car and the V12 sounded great. They only wanted $30k in trade which seemed very good. I just did not need another big car.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [fintail] by imidazol97
Dec 05, 2008 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 05, 2008 7:36 am)

>...and has such steep depreciation that if you trade it in 5-6 years and only 30K miles
 
It's now a US car. I thought from reading opinions here that only US brand cars had depreciation? Mercedes Deutsch ist.

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