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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

7263 messages,  Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [62vetteefp] by nvbanker
Dec 04, 2008 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 03, 2008 9:27 am)

Probably one good application for the Hybrid technology.......
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [nvbanker] by imidazol97
Dec 04, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Dec 04, 2008 8:49 am)

>Why is it all of a sudden if there's a union the onus is 100% on the union to set the out-of-market wage, instead of the goofball at the car company that was dumb enough to sign a contract agreeing to it?
 
The pattern for the union in the past was to pick the more successful of the Big 3 and threaten to strike them while negotiating with them or pick the one with the most to lose with a strike at that time. If they couldn't reach an agreement, they struck that company and caused them no income and loses in an area where they were susceptible to a stoppage at that time. I believe there was a strike at the Malibu plant when the new, competitive Malibu was first being brought out.
 
Then after damaging one company over the others and obtaining an agreement, they use that agreement against the other of the Big 3.
 
This method was effective through the decades: suffer huge losses relative to the other two weaker companies or make an agreement that is against the company/customer's interests.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [62vetteefp] by anythngbutgm
Dec 04, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 03, 2008 1:20 pm)

Amazing? How?
 
Chevy's own Traverse is just as big, has more cargo capacity, no ancient 4-speed, gets 16/23 and costs 30 grand less. Even in towing, the EH can tow only 400lbs more. For an even closer comparison, load up a Buick Enclave and the "amazing" goes away very quickly, unless you have a fetish for 12 inch tall H-Y-B-R-I-D stickers or the gangsta-rap image that goes along with owning the Caddy.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [anythngbutgm] by andre1969
Dec 04, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 9:14 am)

I think it's amazing that they can take something that weighs roughly three tons, and can manage to get it to break 20 mpg. But you're right, there are more practical vehicles out there.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [nvbanker] by bpizzuti
Dec 04, 2008 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Dec 04, 2008 8:49 am)

So knowing they'd go out of business signing, they signed. I'm still waiting to hear why it's 100% the UAW's fault, and no percentage of blame is assigned to the auto manufacturers.
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imidaz by marsha7
Dec 04, 2008 (9:48 am)
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"Then after damaging one company over the others and obtaining an agreement, they use that agreement against the other of the Big 3."...the actual name for that, no surprise, is "pattern bargaining"...
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Re: Poor Choice of Transportation!!!!!! [motorcity6] by bpizzuti
Dec 04, 2008 (10:12 am)
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A trip from Detroit to Miami in an electric car would probably take two weeks..
 
A trip to Miami should take less than a day or two (by plane or train).
 
Maybe I will add a SS Trailblazer, 390 hp, 20"wheels, and performance suspension..to my collection
 
Yeah, should make a nice hood ornament once gas goes to $20 per gallon.
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Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [anythngbutgm] by 62vetteefp
Dec 04, 2008 (10:53 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 9:14 am)

Amazing? How?
 
I guess if you have no background in cars or engineering going from 14 mpg to 20 mpg (42% increase) seems easy but it is quite amazing. Imagine a huge/heavy 8 passenger vehicle with a V8 high HP engine with a large payload capacity can get as good a gas mileage as a 4 cylinder 5 passenger Toyota Camry. Or even better than the V6 version.
 
Yes it is expensive but the fact that it can be done w/o radical changes to the vehicle is amazing.

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