Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?

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#6656 of 7263 Re: Prius Owners, "The caring crowd" [motorcity6] by circlew Dec 03, 2008 (1:30 pm)
Replying to: motorcity6 (Dec 03, 2008 10:05 am) Now with petrol under $2.00, your local Toy dealer will kiss your backside and throw in the store to get them off the lot. Considering GM sales in November during the Red Tag Event, I'll bet we will see a lot of smooching with the customers in December for those trucks and SUV's hanging around the lots! There are thousands of 'em just rotting!! Regardless of the vehicles produced by the D3(or 2 or 1), if they are crap going forward, people will never buy them. If they are class leaders in build quality and dependability and are super efficient, they will sell. Hybrid or ICE. Regards, OW
#6657 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [62vetteefp] by circlew Dec 03, 2008 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 03, 2008 1:20 pm) $12-15K premium for the Hybrid Escalade. Like I said, very bad value proposition. The thing will be rusting before break even is reached at $5.00/gallon. Nice attempt but it's still an overblown Tahoe. Regards, OW Replies to this message: joshuag (Dec 04, 2008 1:11 am) gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 5:57 am) andre1969 (Dec 04, 2008 6:09 am) anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 6:14 am) and 2 more... bumpy (Dec 04, 2008 8:38 am) and 31 more...
#6658 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [62vetteefp] by gagrice Dec 03, 2008 (2:18 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 03, 2008 1:09 pm) Last month, New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority — which began experimenting with the buses in 1998 — ordered 850 with systems from GM competitor BAE Systems, MTA spokesman Charles Seaton said. That's buying American for you. Isn't BAE a large British company? And Bloomberg is wanting to raise taxes as the city is going broke. This whole country is run by lunatics.
#6659 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [62vetteefp] by m1miata Dec 03, 2008 (5:46 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 03, 2008 9:27 am) That bus is pretty cool, but won't fit in my driveway... Ya know there should be a new and improved bus system in America. I recall, all so many years ago, when Greyhound bus had many buses coming and going out of a really neat and clean looking building in our little city. Buses came in through one side of the block and drove on leaving out the front of the other side of the block. Today it is but a small building, not open all night, and is in rather beat up shape.
#6660 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [62vetteefp] by m1miata Dec 03, 2008 (6:04 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 03, 2008 1:20 pm) But gas did hit $5 in California. While it is surely fine to have the cheap gas for say a nice RWD V8 sports car, I would not buy today based on current $2 gas, if you know that you would not feel you could afford up to $5 per gallon gas. Well, that is unless you have some crystal ball telling you all is well going ahead. Love the price we are in, but don't bet on it staying for a long - long time. My guess, as guessing goes, is that the range in California will be as low as $1.75 and as high as $3.50 or better by next year. Within a couple to three years, depression not figured in, gas prices could top the $3.50 and go into $4+ again. Isn't the real value adjusted for inflation for gas between $2.75 and $3.50 per gallon? Personally, while I would love to have the ol' V8 powered car again, it would more likely be the pleasure machine, while keeping my V6 or even going back to i4 for a travel car. I can see know reason to drive a car, even if a V8, which can not achieve at least say 22-24MPG on the freeway. Once the economy recovers, gas should be around $2.75 to $3.50, with ease. If we slip into a depression, I guess a V8 which gets 14MPG may be OK for a second car, as gas may remain low, or should I say go as low as you indicated into the $1.50 per gal.
#6661 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [circlew] by joshuag Dec 04, 2008 (1:11 am)
Replying to: circlew (Dec 03, 2008 1:34 pm) But, this is what they have got to do because of the ridiculous cafe standards that car companies are going to be dealing with soon. And talking about the bad value, it is the same thing with the Prius. You can get a Corolla for around 15 or 16k, but the Prius is about 10 grand more. So where is the value there. It would take about 8 or 9 years to make up that difference. I wanted to say also, since gas prices have dropped I have not seen one Prius with new plates on it, but I have seen a lot of new Acadia's, a couple of Tahoe's, I mean cars that people actually want. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 5:57 am) andre1969 (Dec 04, 2008 6:09 am) anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 6:14 am) gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 6:44 am) circlew (Dec 04, 2008 6:35 pm) bumpy (Dec 04, 2008 8:38 am) andre1969 (Dec 04, 2008 8:47 am) gagrice (Dec 05, 2008 7:14 am) and 29 more...
#6662 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [joshuag] by gagrice Dec 04, 2008 (5:57 am)
Replying to: joshuag (Dec 04, 2008 1:11 am) I have seen a lot of new Acadia's, a couple of Tahoe's, I mean cars that people actually want. Bingo!!! No one but an eco dweeb or high mileage commuter would buy a Prius when gas is cheap. It may be too little, too late for GM. The Acadia seems to be a real family hit and the young people buy the Tahoe, Denali and Escalades and bling them out. When you are living at home for free you can afford an expensive ride. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Dec 04, 2008 6:09 am) anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 6:14 am) gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 6:44 am) circlew (Dec 04, 2008 6:35 pm) bumpy (Dec 04, 2008 8:38 am) andre1969 (Dec 04, 2008 8:47 am) gagrice (Dec 05, 2008 7:14 am) fintail (Dec 05, 2008 7:36 am) and 28 more...
#6663 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [gagrice] by andre1969 Dec 04, 2008 (6:09 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 5:57 am) No one but an eco dweeb or high mileage commuter would buy a Prius when gas is cheap. Or someone who believes that these low fuel prices are only a temporary thing. When you are living at home for free you can afford an expensive ride. That's nice when you get there, but how many people can claim that nowadays?
#6664 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [gagrice] by anythngbutgm Dec 04, 2008 (6:14 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 5:57 am) I think the latest round of gas price hikes have been ingrained in a lot of peoples minds enough that they still consider fuel efficiency a priority when buying. Countless stories of people who could not afford to fill up the tank but could not afford to take the hit either if they tried to trade it. They were stuck with a vehicle that they couldn't afford to drive anymore... I really believe the days of excess like the Tahoe, the Suburban, the Escalade are history and buying one will be out of need (towing) rather than desire. Witness the dumping of Hummer and the continual decline in sales of BOF trucks that are contributing to GM's demise. Gas is at 1.73 here and yet you are still more likely to spot bigfoot than you would a Tahoe or a Suburban... Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 6:44 am) circlew (Dec 04, 2008 6:35 pm)
#6665 of 7263 Re: Big Day Coming Up!!!!!!!! [anythngbutgm] by gagrice Dec 04, 2008 (6:44 am)
Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 04, 2008 6:14 am) you are still more likely to spot bigfoot than you would a Tahoe or a Suburban... Not the case in So CA. It is a sea of blinged out SUVs and PU trucks. Hummers were never more than a niche. Most of the Tahoe, Denali Escalade drivers around here are early 20s. With $10k worth of ugly wheels and tires. Or an F350 diesel Ford lifted sky high. If it were not for big SUVs and PU trucks GM & Ford would already be missing from the CA landscape. People that buy cars go foreign. What was the statistic in San Francisco, 86% import vehicles. I don't think SoCA is that high, but close. We still have lots of retired Navy guys that drive Caddies. Non Com retirees drive Oldsmobile and Buick. They usually keep cars for 20 years like Lemko. That is not going to keep GM going.