With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [motorcity6]
by fezo
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Nov 18, 2008 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: motorcity6 (Nov 18, 2008 11:58 am)
Every time you post it's a hit and run on your own political agenda. How about taking it someplace else?
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [m1miata]
by oldcem
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Nov 18, 2008 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Nov 17, 2008 2:47 pm)
Sounds like you made your decision much like I did. I looked at Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Saturn, and Ford midsizers with V6's. Right off the bat my trade was worth $1500 - $2000 less on any of the Asians at the dealers here. Hyundai had some rebate money, and, about matched the discounted price Saturn gave me if I had no trade. The Ford was less well equipped at the Saturn price, and, I didn't like it as well. The Honda and Toyota's sticked for a good bit more, and, the dealers weren't inclined to discount much.at all. They wanted around $30K (Car, negative equity on trade, tax and title, and financing) to get one off the lot. With Saturn, I had positive equity, got the car at invoice, and 0% financing. Total out the door price was $20,005 for the Aura XE 3.5. I've put 18K miles on her since May with no problems.
Regards:
OldCEM
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [oldcem]
by andre1969
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Nov 19, 2008 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: oldcem (Nov 18, 2008 8:11 pm)
Total out the door price was $20,005 for the Aura XE 3.5. I've put 18K miles on her since May with no problems.
Have you kept track of your Aura's fuel economy? I know a lot of people say just get the 3.6, but I like the way the 3.5 splits the difference between the 4-cyl and the 3.6. It's not as economical as the 4-cyl, and not as powerful as the 3.6, but strikes a good middle ground, especially for the price. Sure, an Accord or Camry V-6 gives you the power AND the economy, but you pay a lot more for one, as well.
Before they went to the new rating system, I think the 3.5 Aura was EPA-rated at 20/30. My aging 2000 Intrepid was rated at 20/29, so it looks like a step ahead to me...slightly better economy with a more powerful, torquier engine.
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [andre1969]
by oldcem
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Nov 19, 2008 (7:14 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 19, 2008 5:23 am)
Yes, I check my fuel economy regularly. In town she's been getting about 24 MPG. On my interstate business trips, running a steady 70 - 75 mph, the mileage stays between 30 and 33. I know the Asian V6s will out drag race me, but, I haven't found anybody that gets the mileage I do. Co-workers that own Camry and Accord V6 automatics indicate they get 24 - 29 mpg running the same hilly interstates I do. Of course Saturn dropped the 3.5 - 4 speed automatic in 09. Would have been interesting if they had offered the 3.5 with the new 6 speed automatic. Other nice things about the Aura - it rides and handles like a European car, has excellent brakes, has stability and traction control as standard equipment, and is dead quiet inside at interstate speeds. I'm not on a "buy American" kick either - my other car is an import (European) and I enjoy driving both of them.
Regards:
OldCEM
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [fezo]
by motorcity6
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Nov 22, 2008 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 18, 2008 12:01 pm)
It's your right to drink Kool-Aid, just don't overdo it..You misread your ballot at voting time..
You like Hondas, go visit the folks driving the little beer cans..
We are talking about American cars on this forum..The products that made this country, great and prosperous, started in Detroit, not Toyko.
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [motorcity6]
by steve_ HOST
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Nov 22, 2008 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: motorcity6 (Nov 22, 2008 6:27 pm)
Ah, but Honda makes cars in America. So how can you not talk about them? And Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Subaru....
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [motorcity6]
by circlew
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Nov 22, 2008 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: motorcity6 (Nov 22, 2008 6:27 pm)
Buying American MEANS buying Honda's and Toyota's. They will be the future of the industry over the Detroit Three because they can stand on their own.
You can't even buy a Happy Meal with the value from the sale of 1 share of stock of GM!!! Horrible!!
GM represents everything that needs to be changed in American Auto manufacturing BUSINESS. Hide your head in the sand all you want but in a global economy, GM, Ford and Chrysler FAILED. Period, the END!
Hopefully, there will be enough to salvage from the ashes to rebuild this once great U.S. industry. Hopefully, Toyota and Honda will help.
Regards,
OW
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [circlew]
by fezo
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Nov 22, 2008 (8:04 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 22, 2008 7:40 pm)
I have loads of American cars both in the driveway now and former residents of same driveway. They happen to be made in the USA by Japanese companies.
By contrast my Ford was made in Canada and my Chrysler in Mexico.
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