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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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Re: Ahhhh, so now [oldcem] by m1miata
Nov 14, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: oldcem (Nov 13, 2008 8:00 pm)

State and local governments give any big employer tax breaks to enter into their local and hire. Nothing is uneven here - period. As for temporary and non-union work, all I can say is that they are surviving, and employing and building a company, while the opposite is true of a dead company. If a company can not let go of employees to lean-out when markets slow, and has to pay for more than is normal just to satisfy contracts, that golden goose gets cooked = no company - no employees. The government / taxpayers should only help GM and Ford, if the employees agree to help keep their company alive. And in the end, all need to realise just who they do work for. The CEO down to the janitor at GM and Ford work for you, the customer. Sure, they can work for the Union, or work for the fat paycheck, or whatever, but in the end it all boils down to the consumer. Somewhere, long time ago, too many forgot just of whom they really do work for.
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Re: Press Request [KarenS] by m1miata
Nov 14, 2008 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: KarenS (Nov 14, 2008 5:57 am)

Hi Karen,
Well that would be about everyone that values their money. Any reasonable person would wait and see just which company, or companies will survive, be it Ford (not on your list?), or Ford and GM, or none of the above. As it appears today, Chrysler is toast, IMHO. What new product looks promising now to add spark? Not, as in no way saying a 300 or Charger is a bad car. But really now, what do you think of say Sebring, or Caliber??? The Sprinter really seems to sell well, but is that not a Mercedes? Or are those for profit only for Dodge? Ford has a good line of car now, with more from Europe to arrive as new cars here. The Mustang will be more refined by 2010 model out early in the year cycle, the Fusion is pretty reliable and not bad looking, and the small cars of Europe look promising. GM has a few glimmers of hope cars too. Not sure if the Camaro is ready to go on time, as it is of course already a few years late in coming. If GM could cut the line of cars by a half to a third, as in those which are best of breed for GM, it would help. Dealerships though would want to see the money though for buyout time, as labels go by the way.
 
It is all rather sad.
 
As for the article, could you simply beg that writer to show a little mercy and forget the whole matter. Really now, bring up the subject will only serve to make people think and not buy one of the big three cars, thus throwing gasoline on a rather large fire to begin with. Let the buyer beware
-Loren
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Heck... by lemko
Nov 14, 2008 (7:46 pm)
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...the demise of GM and or Chrysler might actually stoke my desire to buy one of their vehicles while I still can! I would run out and get an absolutely loaded Buick Lucerne CXS V-8 and a Chrysler 300-C SRT8 and they'd be the last new cars I would ever buy for life. It might be financial suicide, but what good is my money if there's nothing left that I want to buy? It is morally impossible for me to buy a foreign car. It would be like me renouncing God or betraying my country.
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [mcdawgg] by oldcem
Nov 14, 2008 (11:11 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Nov 14, 2008 5:17 am)

A friend of the family who is an employee of the local engine plant and a temp passed the info to me. He's out looking for a job. I won't know if his info is factual until the bad news hits our local paper. Because I personally got burned with bad Honda and Nissan vehicles, I'm skeptical about their virtues, and, certainly won't pay a hefty premium price to get one of them.
 
Regards:
Oldengineer
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [oldcem] by imidazol97
Nov 15, 2008 (5:47 am)
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Replying to: oldcem (Nov 14, 2008 11:11 pm)

> I personally got burned with bad Honda and Nissan vehicles, I'm skeptical about their virtues, and,
 
Say it's not so... I thought everyone believed they were perfect and had NO flaws, EVER.
 
>certainly won't pay a hefty premium price
 
But if you pay lots extra and get a bit more after a few years selling them, it is supposed to cost less to own than a ordinary car?
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [imidazol97] by oldcem
Nov 16, 2008 (10:08 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 15, 2008 5:47 am)

That'[s what I thought as well. Had a 79 Honda Accord, bought used, that went almost 200K before she died. I got a good bit more affluent in the 90's and bought a brand new Accord. The car was a nightmare - one of the worst vehicles I ever owned, and, I dumped it for a Chrysler at 20K miles. Then, in the late 90's, my daugthter talked me into buying her a low mileage used Civic to take to college. The car was a money pit, and, at 86K miles, burned oil so bad that we sold it. My son's Nissan Sentra (Late 90's model) was a money pit as well. Various things failed and were fixed, until the day the Nissan pucked its distributor to the tune of $1000 + the tow bill. That's why, when I'm shopping for a car, and Saturn smokes the Asians by $4K to $10K + on a comparably equipped midsizer - I gave GM a shot again, and, bought an Aura XE 3.5. It was too good a car to pass up because of GM's past sins.
 
Regards:
OldCEM
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [oldcem] by m1miata
Nov 17, 2008 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: oldcem (Nov 14, 2008 11:11 pm)

You do not pay a premium to buy a Japan make of car, in general. Sure the Lexus line seems a bit overdone price wise, but then again Cadillac, pre-discounting, is well overpriced. Yes, it is true that anything mechanical be it a Japan or Domestic make can have problems. Some are just more consistent at building in problems than others. Nissan, back in the Datsun years here in the States, was just do darn reliable it was amazing. Of course, I being in CA did not worry about the rust issue. In snow country, forget it!
 
One of the many problems of selling say a little domestic car is that cars like the Cobalt, after waiting for a decade or two, came out as just old looking. Heck, the Cavalier was a smoother line. And they did not really make the mark for MPG when introduced. Sort of like the intro of a car destined to be an also-ran.
 
Now in the old days, say a Nova was very different than a VW, or a little tinny Japan car. It was an alternative to get style, more steel around you, and perhaps even more overall quality. The World changed, but the big three somehow got caught up in making cars which looked sorta more Japanese, sold for a few bucks less than Japan makes, came in third to fifth in every car comparo on car review mags, as an also-ran car. You can not survive with such.
-Loren
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [oldcem] by m1miata
Nov 17, 2008 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: oldcem (Nov 16, 2008 10:08 pm)

I tried to buy a Saturn Aura XR, but they did not match both the discount price and trade-in price, so I ended up with a Honda Accord SE '07. Simply cost net-net, less to buy. Consists of 85% US content. I have had it in for repairs, so no it is not 100% trouble free. My early 80's Datsun Nissan was bought used, and was 95% trouble free - headlamp needed replacing at a cost of something like $17. It had an inline fuse go on the air conditioning. Had a Corolla '98 and it was around 90% or better trouble free for 7 years. Have had good luck with the Miatas I have bought, so I may consider a Mazda car some day, or a Ford/Mazda car like the Fusion, if Ford is still around. Actually, I kinda like the looks of a Mustang, and I think they are pretty much trouble free. Not the best car for transporting more than one passenger however
 
I like the performance of a Honda, and the road feel and all. As for trouble free, I think not. I will see how the next couple of years go, and if it has no more issues, then I will rate her an average or better in respect to trouble free, a sort of 80% car. Good power and good enough gas mileage with the V6. Aura's are very good for HP in the XR, a little less width inside though, with slightly high door window sills, and a silly foot emergency brake. The six speed tranny on the Aura is good; no make that very good. But the trade-in allowance was going to suck up the $1,500 off on the Aura, so I moved on.
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Re: Ahhhh, so now [oldcem] by motorcity6
Nov 18, 2008 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: oldcem (Nov 16, 2008 10:08 pm)

Good Buy' oldtimer from another oldtimer..Good luck with the Saturn!!!!
 
Detroit is in deep dung..and we may be a nation driving foriegn cars only in the future.
 
All cars produced by non-Big3 are foreign..I get somewhat tired of reading about the 85% domestic content on the Toys or Hons..Their supplier base is foreign owned, Jap, Korean or some other cheap labor outfit with an oriental paper trail.
 
Get the $25 Billion bridge loan from Japan.
 
Honda will start building propane-powered cars in the Hoosier State..Probably will be a non-smoking car and you can get a refill at your local Farm Bureau oulet..Boone Pickens has got to be counting his money..and can't believe how it is really growing..
 
Drill, Drill, love the oil, however with our next President realizing that the Eco-whacks all voted for him will tell us that our love affair with the cars of yore is over and we can look forward to life of government mandates like Russia, China, Cuba, and Venezuela..
 
Interesting Mag issue dtd 11/24/08-Forbes, Energy+Genius, a special edition covering energy and all the pluses and downside to the master schemes..Our current direction is truly a hodgepodge of misdirection using our tax-money to enrich any Bozo with a half-baked idea to lessen our hunger for oil.
 
Our silly Democrats will have to go for drilling once they pull their heads out of the Vacuum..

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