Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?

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#6483 of 7263 Re: grbeck [motorcity6] by grbeck Oct 28, 2008 (11:38 am)
Replying to: motorcity6 (Oct 28, 2008 9:36 am) motorcity6: Be an American, buy the Detroit Iron and put Americans back to work.. Funny, but the last time I checked, a fair percentage of Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans and Hyundais are being built in places like Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas. Are not the employees of those plants Americans? Or did those states secede from the union while I wasn't looking? motorcity6: Your UAW pals will make obscene paychecks again and the country will heal... So, buy a Chevy, and all will be well. I'm surprised that neither Obama nor McCain came up with that slogan. motorcity6: You can argue about who makes the greatest car later, one should worry about saving the country first.. Given the sales figures, trends in market share, and rankings of various models in publications as disparate as Car & Driver and Consumer Reports, I don't think we need to argue that one...it has been pretty well decided. The market has spoken. motorcity6: Under the current conditions I would feel guilty about wheeling around in a foreign car of Asian origin.. Under current conditions, I would be embarrassed to be a GM executive or UAW official. But then, after posting on this and other auto-related sites over the past eight years, if there is one thing I've learned, it's this: Nothing is ever Detroit's fault. Blame can be laid squarely at the feet of (take your pick): Consumer Reports, people who buy Toyotas and Hondas, the Bush Administration, environmentalists, commie-pinkos who read The New York Times, free trade....have I missed any? Replies to this message: lemko (Oct 28, 2008 11:52 am) tlong (Oct 28, 2008 7:21 pm)
#6484 of 7263 Re: grbeck [grbeck] by lemko Oct 28, 2008 (11:52 am)
Replying to: grbeck (Oct 28, 2008 11:38 am) I'd probably be happier if those Hondas, Nissans, Hyundais, and Toyotas were built in places like North Philly, Camden, Trenton, and Allentown - places that were devasted by deindustrialization and the outsourcing of jobs to Asia. I'd also be happier if they unionized their workforces. I hear that things really aren't all that working for Toyota. Newer workers are treated as temps almost forever and older workers are pretty much treated as disposable commodities. In lieu of that, they should at least build all the vehicles they sell in the U.S in the U.S. This goes for the domestics as well. I'm as likely to buy a Mexican-manufactured Fusion as I am a Japanese-manufactured Toyota.
#6485 of 7263 Re: If GM gets rid of Buick... [captain2] by cooterbfd Oct 28, 2008 (1:42 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 28, 2008 10:12 am) If I'm reading into 62 vette's post on GM news correctly, the Park Ave you pointed out is actually a relative to the Pontiac G8, which is produced in Austrailia now, and is slated to be produced here at some time. It can be had w/ GM's 2.0 turbo DI engine which puts out 276 hp in the Solstice GXP and Cobalt SS, both of which are SOLD HERE, so it would actually be CHEAPER to produce HERE, as it would then be shared with the G8 and Impala replacement, if they get a go ahead to build them as RWD. If they sell over 100,000 combined, they MUST be built here as per UAW contract rules, I believe. Also, China requires that any company selling cars there partner oup w/ a LOCAL auto mfr. In this case, GM is partnered up w/ SAIC out of Shanghai. SO any money GM makes there, SAIC benefits just as well. Replies to this message: captain2 (Oct 29, 2008 11:27 am) cooterbfd (Oct 29, 2008 4:10 pm) maverickj (Oct 30, 2008 12:37 pm) circlew (Oct 31, 2008 3:15 am)
#6486 of 7263 Re: grbeck [grbeck] by tlong Oct 28, 2008 (7:21 pm)
Replying to: grbeck (Oct 28, 2008 11:38 am) Nothing is ever Detroit's fault. Blame can be laid squarely at the feet of (take your pick): Consumer Reports, people who buy Toyotas and Hondas, the Bush Administration, environmentalists, commie-pinkos who read The New York Times, free trade....have I missed any? How could you have forgotten the Asian currency manipulation? Oh the humanity!
#6487 of 7263 captain2...... by cooterbfd Oct 28, 2008 (7:36 pm)
Here is a good article on the 2010 Lacrosse: http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2010-buick-lacrosse.htm
#6488 of 7263 Re: If GM gets rid of Buick... [cooterbfd] by captain2 Oct 29, 2008 (11:27 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 28, 2008 1:42 pm) the Australian connection sounds right because not only are we getting G8s over there but also the soon to be new Impala. Oh well, more Americans (and Canadians) out of work I guess. Building cars in Australia obviously not doing anybody in this country any good either. As far as violating any UAW deals go - so what? - what would you think the UAW's remedy would be in some sort of lawsuit - a bid arss judgement that would only hasten GMs bankruptcy? Replies to this message: cooterbfd (Oct 29, 2008 4:10 pm) maverickj (Oct 30, 2008 12:37 pm) circlew (Oct 31, 2008 3:15 am)
#6489 of 7263 Re: If GM gets rid of Buick... [captain2] by cooterbfd Oct 29, 2008 (4:10 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 29, 2008 11:27 am) First of all, the G8 is built there while GM converts a plant HERE to build them. Secondly, the agreement says that if cars are to be sold here in big numbers (I believe over 100,000) they have to be built here. Why wouldn't you want that?? Replies to this message: maverickj (Oct 30, 2008 12:37 pm) circlew (Oct 31, 2008 3:15 am)
#6490 of 7263 Re: If GM gets rid of Buick... [cooterbfd] by maverickj Oct 30, 2008 (12:37 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 29, 2008 4:10 pm) I've owned a Ford, Dodge, and a Chevy. Not to happy with Chevy's tho. I just have a preference for American cars. Growing up, my grandpa always told us to always go with American cars. Guess it stuck with me.
#6491 of 7263 Re: If GM gets rid of Buick... [cooterbfd] by circlew Oct 31, 2008 (3:15 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Oct 29, 2008 4:10 pm) First of all, the G8 is built there while GM converts a plant HERE to build them All plans are on hold now...we will see. Regards, OW
#6492 of 7263 Re: Buy American. [hickey86] by sidious6688 Nov 02, 2008 (1:15 am)
Replying to: hickey86 (Jan 06, 2006 1:14 pm) Note that you would have to compare the Escape to a same year competitor.