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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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Re: The Slide continues... [circlew] by cooterbfd
Sep 27, 2008 (4:42 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 26, 2008 7:09 pm)

"Only recently has quality improved incrementally but not faster than the worlds best. Second at best in desirability and quality."
 
Well. Most of the rags will tell you that American quality is BETTER than the Europeans, and gaining on the Japanese, though not there yet.
 
But you are right, the European cars are more desirable right now.
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Re: The Slide continues... [dave8697] by imidazol97
Sep 27, 2008 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Sep 26, 2008 4:38 pm)

>The media runs this country and shapes the thoughts of enough people to get the polls to show
 
Amen.
 
>Today the media tells me not to buy an American car because it will cost 500 dollars a year more in true cost compared to a foreign one.
 
They don't include the typical service patterns and the extra addons at many "in demand" foreign car stores in their basis. The US brand cars come out better in overall cost. But the media and some others slant the attitudes of the public.
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Re: The Slide continues... [cooterbfd] by circlew
Sep 27, 2008 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 27, 2008 4:42 am)

My example of my wife's 2003 "Professional Grade" Denali is one micro example of perception. After 62,000 miles, the repair tag is up to $3,600.
 
The latest problem was the air-bag sensor decided to fail. This occurred on the same day she took the car to the dealer to check out an Engine Light.
 
That turned out to be a loose gas cap and we took the car home. After 2 hours, the Air Bag Service light came on and we took the truck back where it was determined the sensor failed. $600 after negotiations to eliminate the tax!
 
This was not covered by the extended warranty so this one cost me.
 
My small example makes a difference to me and even my wife does not want to buy ANY US produced vehicle, period. (She liked the Enclave but will NOT have more problems with GM junk). I understand the imports have had their problems also. The point, to me, is when you are loyal but things never change, and then you taste the better products made elsewhere, you'd be nuts not to try the competition. If you are happy with US products, more power to ya.
 
My BMW is an example of a taste of a premium product which delivers satisfaction in spades. Yea, Caddy's CTS is getting better but it took near disaster to provide a competitive product?? Typical dumb business strategy. I had a Lincoln LS, 2003, which added 300 higher quality parts to the previous generation. While the car was good, this BMW is great.
 
I plan to buy my daughter an import when she gets her license in 2 years. My wife wants a Toyota or Honda and she NEVER follows the auto industry at all. Go figure.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: The Slide continues... [steve_] by nortsr1
Sep 27, 2008 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 26, 2008 8:31 am)

That doesn't mean they LOVE US...they love our movies, malls and McDonalds...not us!!!!!
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Re: The Slide continues... [circlew] by lemko
Sep 27, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 27, 2008 6:33 am)

Funny, my girlfriend loves her LaCrosse so much she wants another Buick. She also doesn't follow the industry nearly as closely as I do.
 
Heck she talks about her LaCrosse like you do about your Bimmer. I'm on my fifth Cadillac. I would most definitely buy another one in the future. We are still young people and still have a lot of car buying years left. Our first and only choice is GM!
 
Why are you set on buying your daughter an import? Why prejudice her at an early age? Let her make her own choice. When I got my license, I bought my own car - a 1968 Buick Special Deluxe - an excellent car. I have been a big fan of Buick ever since. My second car was a 1979 Buick Park Avenue - another great car. My first new car was a 1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic.
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Re: The Slide continues... [circlew] by obyone
Sep 27, 2008 (6:53 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 27, 2008 6:33 am)

This was not covered by the extended warranty so this one cost me.
 
What kind of extended warranty did you buy? $3600 in repairs with an extended warranty? Something's got to be missing.
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Re: The Slide continues... [lemko] by circlew
Sep 27, 2008 (7:09 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Sep 27, 2008 6:47 am)

Oh, she'll get a choice if she has the cash!
 
I try not to prejudice either of my daughters but do cringe every time my little one say "Dad!! There's another Buggy!" I hated the beetle and still do! The older one switches preferences like changing diapers!!
 
My first new car was a 1977 Grand Prix. Girlfriend cooked the engine after the water hose blew. My bad for not changing it back then! The new engine my brother put in (same brother who changed out the bad gasket in the '88 FWB).
 
That car was real nice. I also had a '69 Buick Regal and loved it.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: The Slide continues... [obyone] by circlew
Sep 27, 2008 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: obyone (Sep 27, 2008 6:53 am)

You are correct. I forgot to mention that it cost me $1,700 for the BtoB warranty. The company is Continental.
 
The Air Bag sensor is not covered so the $600 was my cost for that repair. We were skeptical a sensor would fail on the same day visit for another problem. Paranoia?
 
Total cost for me to drive it past the 3-year MFG warranty is $2,300. Total repair bill for the truck from inception is $3,600. $3,000 warranty paid, $600 I paid. The warranty is 70K, 7 years so it expires 10/09.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: The Slide continues... [circlew] by lemko
Sep 27, 2008 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 27, 2008 7:09 am)

Are you sure you didn't mean a 1969 Buick Skylark? The Regal didn't debut until 1973. Anyway, a Special Deluxe is a plainer version of the Skylark. Mine was a 6-passenger station wagon with a 350 V-8 w/2bbl carb. I later gave it to my brother who ran it until 1992. Just saw the movie "American Gangster" on HBO a couple nights ago. In the beginning, a detective played by Russell Crowe and this other guy playing find $930,000 in the trunk of a 1965 Buick Special. Even as a plain-jane car with dog dish hubcaps and blackwall tires, I thought it was an attractive car.
 
There's a young girl at my job who's only 23 and she bought a new red Dodge Charger Hemi! She's always talking about it and wants a Challenger.
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Re: The Slide continues... [circlew] by dieselone
Sep 27, 2008 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 27, 2008 7:09 am)

Oh, she'll get a choice if she has the cash!
 
My thoughts exactly. While my oldest daughter has about 6 more years until she drives. She'll drive what I provide. If she doesn't like it, then she can use her feet. Granted I won't put her in a complete POS. I'll find something safe, reliable, fuel efficient, and inexpensive.
 
As for your Denali, there must be some serious issues with GMs full sizers. My Suburban was the same way. By between 45k-65k miles, I racked up nearly $5k in repairs, not to mention all the squeaks and rattles. GM must have a patent on rattles.
 
Now that didn't completely sour me on american metal as I bought an Expedition (We will see how this holds up). GM will have to knock one out of the park for me to give them anymore of my money.

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