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Automotive News & Views Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?
7263 messages, Last post on May 27, 2009 at 4:31 AM
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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 26, 2008 8:21 am) |
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 26, 2008 8:29 am) The French kids are the ones flocking to McDonalds, the US style malls and keeping Hollywood movies #1 at the box office.
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Sep 26, 2008 3:37 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Sep 26, 2008 8:37 am) |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Sep 26, 2008 3:43 am) Houses down by 20%? Miami is still double of the 1-1-01 values. House values are way up from 2001 levels, everywhere. Cars are better made and more affordable compared to then. I know someone who paid $22,200 for a new 1998 Civic with hand crank windows. Are you saying America has a high confidence in itself now? Where is that info coming from? 10 years ago? You mean just before the tech bubble burst that turned taxpayers into loss claimers when they filed? It suprised you that tax receipts went down after that? The US Embassy, the Cole, the first WTC attempt and the planning of 911 happened on whose watch? The world liked us then? We woke up and realized we needed a military on 1-1-01. It wasn't going to be free. Any surplus we had was derived by not keeping up the military and taxing the tech bubble, two things that had to end.
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 26, 2008 8:29 am) The postwar Europe is so far superior to prewar Europe that there is no comparsion. To say that Europe went from one bad ideal to another is not true. fintail: there's every reason to expect anti-Americanism there, especially among the young. The cultural disaster being seen is a postwar creation.? What they hate is that, after World War II, the European powers had basically either destroyed (Germany) or exhausted (France and Great Britain) themselves, and America was now the dominant world power. It was also the dominant cultural power (which, from a European standpoint, was probably even worse). One can understand some resentment in the wake of World War II. When an entire continent is basically destroyed and virtually broke, and largely from its own doing, blaming outsiders is expected. But such feelings are, in the long run, hardly productive. fintail: Generally the older people don't hate Americans so much, in my experience...but the youth are jaded and skeptical at best, as they should be. Being jaded and skeptical generally comes from having too many things handed to a person. The jaded and skeptical tend to think that the current standard of living is a birthright (so they can pretend not to care about it), and it it goes away, it can somehow be legislated back into existence, without too much effort on the part of anyone. Which, right now, describes far too many young Europeans and Americans.
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Sep 24, 2008 7:24 pm) The US currently charges a 2.5% tariff on all (non-NAFTA) imported cars and a 25% tarif on all (non-NAFTA) imported light trucks. |
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Replying to: grbeck (Sep 26, 2008 7:23 am) I don't know, the dash on my '07 is 3 or 4 different colors, the panels are mismatched, you can see the mold release lines across the top of the IP over the radio. I would say it is average in fit and finish. If you are comparing an '03 Accord to an '03 Taurus, I am right there with you, but I think with the Fusion the gap shrank alot. The Accord still bests the domestic competition in handling, refinement and reliability. Eh reliability is arguable. Even handling, where the 3 year old Fusion was within 4 tenths of a second of the brand new just introduced boat from Honda, or where it beat it in skidpad lateral grip implies that its not the case. And no domestic company offers anything like the Accord V-6 six-speed coupe. Hmmm an oversized "personal luxury coupe" makes me think T-bird and Monte Carlo, but if people like 'em, its fine with me. they still rely on fleet sales for a fair amount of their total sales. Don't confuse "fleet sales" with "rental car fleets." Businesses buy them because they are inexpensive to buy and maintain, and they are reliable to support the needs of a business.
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Sep 26, 2008 6:27 am) It amazes me how people complain about the dynamics of an automobile after they have purchased it - did you even bother to test drive the car? If so, then why did you buy it? Oh, and let me guess, you have the LX model with a slushbox and the hard as nails OEM Michelin tires that are good for only one thing - fuel economy. As for me, I thoroughly enjoy my 5-speed '03 Accord EX-L. It doesn't handle like my previous BMW, but then again, no other car that I have driven handles like a BMW. But it's not bad, and the 4 banger with a stick really give it some zip and make it more fun to drive. My parents Camry can't compare. And I get great gas mileage too. |
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Replying to: m1miata (Sep 26, 2008 7:56 am) Its price range was what got it in trouble. Every hot hatch would spank it, and then it couldn't compete with the 10k less expensive Scion tC, which by every account I have read, is no sport anything. The Prelude didn't fair much better and apparently got morphed into a Monte Carlo, I mean Honda Accord Coupe. At least the Civic SI is a legitimate entry, with a 6 spd and limited slip differential like the Nissan Sentra SER. |
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