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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


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The Big 3 - a Joke! by blkbr0tha
May 21, 2008 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 20, 2008 10:50 am)

I have skimmed over some of what has been posted. All I want to ask is- WHERE ARE THE supposedly BIG 3 right now in the wake of the fuel price crisis???
 
I was reading an article the other day about the top 14 hybrid vehicles. None of the BIG 3 were even in the mix. Toyota/ Honda basically dominate the market. With all of the strain on the Big 3 - why havent they learned to take advantage of the opportunity that exists??? Domestic ar manufacturers seem to be in the dark ages creating V12's and V8's like gas still costs 1.25/gallon. In an article on Ward's Dealer Business- The Product manager of GM's new Pontiac G* stated " The G8 is the flagship of our lineup". Are you kidding me???? LOL
 
The Big 3 will not exist by 2010 if they do not get their strategy in place for the average consumer!
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Re: The Slide Continues [lemko] by circlew
May 21, 2008 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 21, 2008 5:06 am)

There were tumbleweed and blowing sand across the Buick exhibit at the NYIAS...but enough room for everyone to park their butt for a quick lunch bfore heading off to the crowds again at the imports. Buick was tucked in a remote corner of the exhibit floor by a snack stand.
 
Oh yeah, Corvette and Mustang were the biggest draw...hint, hint.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: The Slide Continues [circlew] by lemko
May 21, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 21, 2008 6:12 am)

Well, those pretentious prejudiced import fanboys in NYC don't know the excellent value in Buick as we in Philly. The Buick exhibit at the Philadelphia Auto Show drew a pretty good crowd. Oh, Buick is grandpop's car? Grandpop didn't get to live so long being stupid. Oh, Buick isn't cool? All the so-called "cool" people I knew are currently working at McJobs while the sensible people have great careers or have their own businesses.
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Re: The Slide Continues [lemko] by circlew
May 21, 2008 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 21, 2008 7:29 am)

The sensible people have WAY more choice than Buick.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: American in name, at least... [moocow1] by hudsonthedog
May 21, 2008 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: moocow1 (May 20, 2008 4:09 pm)

I know that Nummi plant, someone I talk to used to intern there. It's amusing how they make Toyotas and Pontiacs in the same place with basically almost the same car. Anyone buying a Matrix should really look at the Vibe since they're almost the same thing.
 
Funny how they DON'T make the Matrix and the Vibe in the same plant. The NUMMI plant makes the Vibe, the Corolla sedan, and the Tacoma but not the Matrix. Toyota makes the Matrix in its own plant in Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.
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AWD Vibe 2.4L by wtd44
May 21, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: hudsonthedog (May 21, 2008 7:40 am)

How right you are! While I have never before purchased a Toyota nor a Pontiac, ever, I was attracted to the Vibe due to it carrying a domestic name and domestic assembly point. Oh... and my spousal unit wanted it!
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Re: motorcity [hudsonthedog] by grbeck
May 21, 2008 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: hudsonthedog (May 20, 2008 7:02 am)

hudsonthedog: Ask a teenager what they think of the Chrysler 300 or Dodge Charger or Dodge Challenger or Ford Mustang or Chevrolet Camaro. I'll even lump in the Pontiac G8, Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky, and of course the high performance vehicles like the Cadillac CTS-V, Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, Chevrolet Cobalt SS. You'll find that the "coolness" rating of these vehicles ranks up there with any other vehicle under $100k. Even the Ford Fusion and new Malibu have some sort of "coolness" factor (as much as mid-sized mainstream sedans can).
 
Subtracting the teenage gearheads who follow the industry, I would say that about the only car on that list that most teenagers would find to be "cool" is the Mustang. The Camaro isn't even out yet, and the Dodge Challenger is so rare that I have yet to see one even at the local Dodge dealer.
 
Most of them probably don't even know what a Saturn Sky, Pontiac G8 and Cadillac CTS-V are - and they wouldn't care once they did know.
 
Sorry, but even a fair number of the teenage gearheads just aren't into V-8s anymore.
 
The Corvette is rapidly gaining an image as the vehicle of choice for pot-bellied 50-somethings who wear far too much gold jewelry. They buy a Corvette as a way to recapture at least a whiff of youth.
 
I think you underestimate just how damaged the images of most American brands are out in the real world.
 
hudsonthedog: No teenager thinks that a Ford Taurus or Chevrolet Impala (with the possible exception of the SS) is cool...but they also don't think that the Camry or Accord are cool.
 
The Harrisburg paper recently ran the results of a national survey of teenagers that asked them what car they would like to own. One of the top five choices was the Accord, along with the Civic.
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Re: motorcity [grbeck] by circlew
May 21, 2008 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (May 21, 2008 8:30 am)

The Corvette thing hurt me! Last shred of good old USA coolness, dashed to bits!
 
According to one survey, here is an automotive brand loyalty rank:
 
Automotive
Toyota
BMW/Mercedes (tie)
Honda
Nissan
Saab
Chevrolet
Jeep
Volkswagen
Hyundai
Chrysler/Volvo (tie)
Ford
Kia
General Motors
 
You know what's pulling Chevy...trucks and that 'Vette. Where the heck is Buick???
 
The Brand Keys Customer Loyalty Engagement Index® is an annual syndicated study — initiated in 1997 — that currently examines customers' relationships with 382 brands in 57 categories.
 
The sample is made up of men and women 18 to 65 years of age drawn from the nine U.S. Census regions. Respondents (50:50 M/F and an even-age-spread representation) are screened according to category particulars, then asked to assess the brand for which they have been determined to be a "customer." The screening varies from category to category, but generally respondents fall into the top 20 percent of the customer base. Eighty-five percent of the interviews are conducted via telephone. The remaining 15 percent are collected via central-location intercepts among "cell phone only" respondents.

 
GM should be happy people in the US still know who they are!
 
Regards,
OW
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Brand Perception by circlew
May 21, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Overall Brand Perception
 
The chart below shows an aggregate score reflecting a brand’s total perception level across the seven areas. Scores are rounded to the nearest percent. Keep in mind that these scores don’t reflect the qualities of the brand’s vehicles, only the strength of the overall brand in the eyes of car buyers.
 
      Best Worst
Brand Score Brand Score
Toyota 189 Buick 25
Honda 146 Mercury 22
Ford 112 Mitsubishi 21
Chevrolet 110 Audi 14
GMC 102 Acura 8
 
Here is the top five by category: Safety, Quality, Value, Performance, Green, Design/Style, Tech.
 
This is one rag's view. Your own perception is what counts.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Brand Perception [circlew] by moocow1
May 21, 2008 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 21, 2008 9:17 am)

That's some bizarre chart. I wonder what exactly their data is. I'd certainly never expect audi and acura that low. I have to agree, they're kinda the unknown lux brands compared to lexus, mercedes, bmw, infiniti, but certainly not the worst brands perceived.

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