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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?
#18615 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [dieselone]
Sep 06, 2013 (8:28 pm)
How is the ride and handling on the Ram?
#18616 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [gagrice]
Sep 07, 2013 (7:09 am)
"How is the ride and handling on the Ram?"
I like how it rides and drives. It's not luxury car smooth, but it feels tight and well controlled.
I looked at the Silverados but they left me cold. Didn't even bother to drive them. Plus every one on the dealer lot had 3.08 gears.
#18617 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [dieselone]
Sep 07, 2013 (7:17 am)
If I bought a full sized PU truck today it would be the Ram. I am anxious to see how they do with the new diesel coming the end of the year. That could get Ford and GM off their duff. Ford keeps thinking they can make a gasser competitive with diesel. Not from what I read.
#18618 of 18912 Re: Great American cars, and actors, in movies [roadburner]
Sep 07, 2013 (9:03 am)
I agree with you. Example... The tiger created by CGI in "The Life of Pi" really made an impact, combined with great acting and a great story.
#18619 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [gagrice]
Sep 07, 2013 (2:03 pm)
I was out truck shopping with a friend this afternoon, hit Chevy, Ford, Toyota, and Dodge dealers. He actually drove (I rode) in Chevy, Ford, and Dodge. Toyota dealership was deplorable, we never actually got to the inside of a truck.
My friend was driving, I was just riding. The Ford 5.0 V8 felt very comparable to the first Dodge we drove, with a 6 speed. Then my friend test drove an upscale Dodge, with the 8 speed, and that made an appreciable difference. The engine was the same (5.7 liter Hemi), and the body size was the same (quad cab, or extended cab if you're not up on "Dodge speak"). The rear end ratio might have been different, which would have helped, but it seemed like it was the transmission.
At any rate, the Ford was a LOT cheaper, so he's leaning in that direction.
#18620 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [gagrice]
Sep 07, 2013 (6:14 pm)
"If I bought a full sized PU truck today it would be the Ram."
Honestly, I don't think there is a clear winner between the Ram, Silverado/Sierra, f-150.
IMO, it really depends on what you need/want/like. The 1/2 ton Ram's weakest area is towing/cargo capacity. It's kind of the "city" truck of the 3. I really like how it drives, the 8 speed is fantastic, and the Hemi has plenty of power, is smooth, and sounds pretty good too.
I don't think the Ford Ecoboost is meant to replace a diesel, but it does have diesel like torque. It gets fairly good mileage. Fact is, any gas engine gets lousy towing mileage.
I could have gotten a much better deal on an F150, but I wanted the Ram.
#18621 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [dieselone]
Sep 08, 2013 (7:24 am)
Congrats on the purchase, and welcome to the club! What axle ratio did you end up getting? I think a 3.55:1 is standard but mine has an optional 3.21:1.
Also good to hear that your fuel economy is looking pretty good so far. I've only averaged about 14.6 since I've had mine, but my short-trip driving is a killer.
#18622 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [andre1969]
Sep 08, 2013 (9:05 am)
"Congrats on the purchase, and welcome to the club! What axle ratio did you end up getting? I think a 3.55:1 is standard but mine has an optional 3.21:1. "
Ugh, That is a bone of contention. It was suppose to have the 3.55, but low and behold on the axle sticker it's the 3.21.
I haven't towed with it, but I am satisfied with how it performs with the 3.21.
The problem is the tow rating is cut by 2k lbs with the 3.21. Really doesn't make much sense. If you look at the gear ratios in the 8 speed, they are shorter until 7th gear vs the 6 speed and if you compare the overall ratio between the 3.21 / 8 speed with a 3.55 / 6speed, the 8/3.21 combo has shorter gearing until 7th, yet the 8 speed appears to have a 2k less tow rating.
I should find out tomorrow what's going to happen. Part of the problem is all of the towing data at the dealer is for a 2013 model, not 2014.
As for gas mileage. I've put 300 miles on this weekend and have averaged 17.1. Mostly mixed highway/city. At 65 mph it will easily get 20-22mpg. It's rated for 15/21.
I've got the 32 gallon tank, so it will have plenty of range. It has more bells and whistles than I need. Uconnect/NAV/rear camera, front, rear sonar, rainsense wipers, moon roof, heated/cooled front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, remote start, keyless entry/start etc, 20" chrome polished wheels. Towing mirrors, class IV hitch etc.
It is a crew cab with the 6'4" box. I need to rear arrange the garage for it to fit. It appears to be over 2' longer than the Expedition was.
#18623 of 18912 Re: took the plunge today [dieselone]
Sep 08, 2013 (9:56 am)
Sounds like a pretty sweet ride! Hope it works out for you. My 2012 is only up to around 4500 miles, although its one year anniversary comes up on 9/23/13. I haven't had anything break on it, yet, but on two separate occasions it's stalled out in the driveway. And on two separate occasions it got stuck in 4th gear.
Haven't taken it back to the dealer yet, though. Other than an oil change around the 3000-3500 mile mark. I wanted to do it sooner, but the dealer said just wait until the oil change light comes on. I didn't wait that long though, so I had my uncle take it in for an oil change a couple months ago, on one of his days off work.
Supposedly pickups are the last frontier when it comes to fierce brand loyalty, but like you, I just can't pick a dog in this fight. The main reason I bought my Ram was because it was cheap. I'm not a Ford fan, but I do like the F-150. I just worry about it being a bit too "high tech" to be reliable in the long run. And the Chevy/GMC were just getting too long in the tooth at the time. Plus, the basic models, which is what I was looking for, were still using that 4-speed automatic that failed twice in my uncle's 97.
Nissan doesn't offer the Titan in a regular cab/8-foot bed configuration. And I'm sure a Tundra would have been more expensive than what I'm willing to pay.
But, overall, I'm sure that any of them are good trucks.
#18624 of 18912 Congrats on the new truck Diesel!
Sep 09, 2013 (4:06 am)