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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

18081 messages,  Last post on May 23, 2013 at 5:44 PM

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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?

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#16426 of 18081 Re: Honda...of Ohio [andre1969] by roadburner

Jan 16, 2013 (9:53 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 16, 2013 9:17 am)
Yeah, same with my parents. Mom had the '57 Plymouth, '59 Rambler, and '66 Catalina convertible before I was born.
 
Dad had more than a few cool cars; 1965, 1967, and 1970 Mustangs, a 1970 Torino GT(with shaker hood and Laser Stripes), and a 1986 Mark VII LSC.
 
As for nostalgia and cars, sometimes the memories do match up with the actual experience. My wife and I like driving my 1975 2002 as much if not more than her 2009 328i. The only thing that keeps us from driving it more than we already do is its lack of A/C.

#16427 of 18081 American cars by newengland1

Jan 17, 2013 (6:41 am)

American cars were great back in the day. Now the asian cars are the most reliable. Like toyota, honda, and hyundai. The japanese technology is wayyyy ahead of the americans.

#16428 of 18081 Re: American cars [newengland1] by uplanderguy

Jan 17, 2013 (7:26 am)

Replying to: newengland1 (Jan 17, 2013 6:41 am)
If you like Consumer Reports--and I'm not a fan, honestly--check out the Feb. issue. Stay away from Hyundai Sonata Turbo and Hybrid, very unreliable according to them. I don't have the issue, but I think they actually rated the unloved Malibu Eco above the the Sonata Hybrid. Some late-model Hondas have had trans and oil consumption issues too BTW.

#16429 of 18081 Re: American cars [uplanderguy] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (8:14 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 17, 2013 7:26 am)
Late model? What years? I thought those were a decade old by now.

#16430 of 18081 Re: American cars [ateixeira] by uplanderguy

Jan 17, 2013 (8:24 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 8:14 am)
I believe it was dieselone talking recently about his Dad's '09 Accord with oil consumption issues. Pretty late-model in my book.

#16431 of 18081 Re: American cars [uplanderguy] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (8:26 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 17, 2013 8:24 am)
But trans? 04 Ody got the beefed up trans from the Ridgelines.
 
The frequency of complaints went way down. Sure they exist but there are far fewer complaints than Dodge, for example.

#16432 of 18081 Re: American cars [ateixeira] by uplanderguy

Jan 17, 2013 (8:31 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 8:26 am)
We've been through this before, but there are over 2K comments on Honda Odyssey trans issues on edmunds. A lot are the 2005 and newer (the model year my coworker had a complete meltdown of his). Although some here say that's not a good bellwether, others on the same GM forum said that 78 posts about a GM air conditioner on the Enclave meant there was a major problem!

#16433 of 18081 Re: American cars [uplanderguy] by dieselone

Jan 17, 2013 (8:33 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 17, 2013 8:24 am)
I believe it was dieselone talking recently about his Dad's '09 Accord with oil consumption issues. Pretty late-model in my book.
 
 
It was me and I'd agree. Don't know if those issues are corrected with the new Accord, but the previous v6 models with VCM can develop oil burning issues as my dad's has. He basically blew an engine at 80K miles. Honda covered it for him, but it appears it's still burning oil. (He's not the type to check the oil, so he basically let it run out. Plus it had plug fouling issues prior to the engine failure).
 
From the research I've done. The oil burning issue with Honda's 3.5 seems to affect the Accord more than any other vehicle and then it seems to be those cars that are driven in a manor where the VCM is most active (my dad drive nearly 30k/yr). The general theory seems to be the minivans and SUVs simply can't run with the cylinders shut down as often.
 
Basically we're still talking small numbers of problems as most Accords (80% or so) don't have the v6.

#16434 of 18081 Re: American cars [uplanderguy] by dieselone

Jan 17, 2013 (8:53 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 17, 2013 8:31 am)
We've been through this before, but there are over 2K comments on Honda Odyssey trans issues on edmunds. A lot are the 2005 and newer (the model year my coworker had a complete meltdown of his). Although some here say that's not a good bellwether, others on the same GM forum said that 78 posts about a GM air conditioner on the Enclave meant there was a major problem!
 
I just don't believe an Edmund's forum is an accurate sample of data. Okay 2000 posts which are likely from a few hundred different posters on a vehicle that's sold probably 700+k since '05 and has over 48k posts overall. I doubt GM has a vehicle with anywhere near that many posts.
 
Here's some scientific data for you;)
 
Odyssey: 2400 trans posts out of 48,699 total posts or basically 5%
GMC Acadia: 449 trans problem posts of 3449 total or 13%. I guess the Acadia has a higher percentage of trans problems;)

#16435 of 18081 Re: American cars [dieselone] by uplanderguy

Jan 17, 2013 (8:59 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Jan 17, 2013 8:53 am)
As if total number of posts about the model in general has anything to do with anything. You know that.
 
I think over 2K posts about a problem can't be sloughed off, either, though.
I was told here I shouldn't slough off 78 comments.

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