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With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?
#15492 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [robr2]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:30 am)
I'd probably consider an ATS, if it was spec'd right and I liked how it drove. And if it appeared to be a real value. But if it is the same car for the same price as the competition, I'd rather go with what I know.
CTS - getting kind of old and have never liked the tweener size. XTS - I actually kind of like the look, but a little big for me, and probably drives kind of numb. The CUV/SUVs - not my cup of tea.
#15493 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [fintail]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:34 am)
To bring it back on a domestic theme, I have seen base model Caddy lease specials that lack sunroof. If they also lack heated seats, no sale from me.
That and in the case of the ATS the lease deal comes with the 2.5 4 cyl. It's getting less than ideal reviews for the Malibu, no way would that work for me in a car with sporting intentions and supposedly the "standard of the world" LOL.
But yeah, spec'd right, I could see myself in an ATS if I liked how it drove.
#15494 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [dieselone]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:34 am)
I wonder if my car heats the same on both sides. I am sure it does - MB was an early adopter of the feature. I also like multi stage heating, that starts hot and slowly lowers, or can be manually selected.
#15495 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [dieselone]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:37 am)
When I see no sunroof, I think "rental spec". Deal breaker for me, even the lowline German models have roof. I can deal with 4cyls if they are done right - although my paid off high torque/low mileage V8 is good enough for right now
If the ATS is 9/10ths the car at 6/10ths the price, I'd look. If it is 9/10ths the car at 9/10ths the price, it is tougher.
#15497 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [fintail]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:38 am)
I also like multi stage heating, that starts hot and slowly lowers, or can be manually selected.
Auto hot and auto lowering would be cool, err warm;) Anyway, yeah, mine has two seatings for heat and cool and both are fully functional on both front seats.
My '00 VW Jetta TDI had a dial with like 6 heat settings and was the only car I've had heated seats w/o leather. Though with a diesel, the heated seats were the only source of heat for the first several miles. Just letting it idle would rarely warm it up enough to get heat.
Fin, I'd be shocked if you MB didn't have a fully heated passenger seat.
#15498 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [fintail]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:39 am)
On a buddy's Infiniti you can control it. On the low setting only the seat base heater is on, but crank it up and it also warms your back.
Gotta have both, though. This is something Subaru gets right, the All Weather Package is worth every penny. Even on the cheapest models it heats bottom and back. The wiper de-icers work well enough that you won't have to scrape that area, and the heated mirrors not only melt the ice off quickly, they even evaporate any rain immediately, so driving in mist you still have totally clear mirrors.
That's why they have 1,400% more market share in Vermont than they do in Florida.
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#15499 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [dieselone]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:42 am)
I am sure it does. Have never sat there. I think the "hot" function stays on for 10-15 mins, then lowers - but you can manually change it back to hot, or directly go to low, if desired.
This kind of thing should be expected in higher equipped mainstream cars by now.
#15500 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [ateixeira]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 05, 2012 (9:44 am)
My older Outback's seats could get a tad warmer, but I'm cold natured anyway. No one else ever complains about them. The leather was too hot as it was.
If I had known we were going to keep the van forever, I would have put a kit in there years ago. Didn't really need them for the Boise decade though.
#15501 of 18912 Re: back to the topic [ateixeira]
Dec 05, 2012 (9:43 am)
Same reason why they sell so well in the PNW. And they are kind of truck-y in a way, so you can let them sit outside and not worry about decay.