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Future Vehicles Its official: Volvo C30-What do you think?
103 messages, Last post on Aug 02, 2007 at 12:59 PM
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Replying to: 10scoachrick (Dec 08, 2006 1:34 pm) |
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Replying to: kernick (Oct 03, 2006 4:20 pm) volvomax, do you know which is the real number? $23k or $25k? It makes quite a bit of difference, IMHO. Whereas I was looking at a T5 with premium pack for ~$25k, now we're talking ~$27k, which is midsize japanese territory. I think there was a good argument for the C30 at $23k (just a bit more than a Civic Si or GTI, but more power and refinement for that money). At $25k, it would be hard not to opt for something like an Accord EXV6 instead and get more power and space.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 08, 2007 8:02 am) First of all, nobody buys the base car, so base price really isn't important. Its the price with the features that you want that matters. Second, the Accords price is irrelevant. The people who would buy this don't need the space or size of the Honda. The better comparision is the Mini and the Golf GTI. Heck, there are plenty of smaller cars that are in the "japanese midsize" price class. If you want sheer size, there are plenty of minvans in that price class too. The C30 does need to be price competitive, but only in its own class.
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Replying to: volvomax (Jan 08, 2007 8:25 am) But its quite a bit more than those, if it starts at $25k. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because I believe the C30 will prove to be a class above those. Oh, and since all of the mags compare the Si to the GTI, you can bet consumers do, too. The GTI attracts people who make that comparison because they are getting a bit more refinement for $2k more. The C30 would attract buyers making the comparison to the GTI who are willing to spend $1k more for another step up in refinement. At $3k more, its just that much tougher of a sale. What I'm trying to say is, it is basically creating its own class (one vacated by the C230), but it will only succeed in that class if its just a bit above the GTI/Mini S/Si. The GTI currently starts the highest at $22k. At a significant amount above those, I think buyers would either choose the cheaper competitor or step up to a more expensive "non-competitor." You can say its not a competitor to japanese coupes all you want, but I know that when friends, family, or even I shop for a vehicle, we will compare cars of similar price and function, and those don't always fall in the same "class." I compared and debated an Accord Coupe and 350z. So if that doesn't say it all, I don't know what does. Base price is important for the sake of comparisons. If you want to compare optioned up models, that's fine, but it will still be the same relative price when compared to optioned up models of the competitors. |
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An Accord coupe and a 350Z?? Now that sound like someone who really doesn't know what they want.  That comparision isn't a valid comparision because there is no common ground. There is no way to judge which car is better because those 2 cars do very different things and have very different specs. You HAVE to have some common frame of reference. As to the GTI price point, look at the prices w/ the options you want. The Volvo may have the higher base, but it could also have more standard features. Motor co's want you to fall for the base price game. It gets you in the door. Also, look at the other specs. The Volvo will be quicker than the GTI, C30 0-60 in 6.2, GTI in 7.2. The C30 is bigger than the Mini(and faster)and will be priced competitively.
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Replying to: volvomax (Jan 08, 2007 8:52 am) For me, it was a 6-speed 2-door that could hit 60 in less than 6 secs. I also compared the TT, Boxster, and S2k. I narrowed it down to the Accord and 350z (because those were the only i could fit comfortably in). I can't remember the 0-60 number I've seen, but I think it may have been a tick slower than 6.2. In any case, I think it, the Mini S, and the Civic Si will all be within a few clicks of each other. We'll have to see what the standard features are, but I'd imagine its close to the S40 T5.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 08, 2007 10:01 am) The Accord coupe is a family sedan minus 2 doors. It doesn't go, stop or turn like the above cars. It would be like having Queen Latifah compete in the Miss Universe pageant. Yes she is a woman and so there is common ground, but c'mon!
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Replying to: volvomax (Jan 08, 2007 1:10 pm) i know you have a bias against honda, vmax, and that's fine. But I still feel the need to correct you. The Accord Coupe V6 hits 60 in 5.9 secs, the same as a Boxster. And it has skidpad grip on par with a TT. Will it go around a track as good as the others? Of course not. But I use a backseat far more often than I go to a track. These are the kinds of questions buyers face, not whether or not the volvo comes standard with headlight washers. (by the way, at that time, I picked the 350z.)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 08, 2007 1:25 pm) But they aren't sports cars. Where on earth did you see/hear of an Accord hitting 60 mph in 5.9 sec??
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Replying to: volvomax (Jan 08, 2007 2:53 pm) http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/7011/honda-accord-coupe-ex-v-6.html (note that this is before its slight bump in power) here it is in sedan form with the power bump: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10519/2006-honda-accord-ex-v-6.html Unfortunately, I find the other sites too difficult to search on. I can at least tell you that MotorTrend got the identical times in their automatic V6 that C&D did, so I'd assume they would get the same in the manual. But, anyway, we're kind of off topic (although i'm not sure anymore). My point still boils down to ... c30=$23k-$28k=yes. c30=$25k-$30k=no. |
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