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#1440 of 5530 Re: There is NEWS! [qbrozen]
Jul 19, 2007 (1:24 pm)
IMO, the term dramatic or bold styling is overused. What is bold about Altima’s styling? When it first arrived (and since has received evolutionary changes), I saw a larger version of 1999-2000 Civic sedan in the front, styling similarities to Passat in the rear. The most “bold” thing about it is use of clear lens for tail lights on an otherwise generic body style. Mercedes CLS is one of the very few cars I would describe as being stylistically dramatic or bold.
As far as 2003-2005 Accord is concerned, you could say tail lamps were influenced by earlier models, and I would throw in 1998-2002 Accord as well as Mazda 929. However, styling of the rear quarters were a complete departure from previous Accords (actually it resembled 1992-1995 Civic sedan the most in that regard).
no, the civic sedan is not dramatic. Sorry. The coupe, yes, to a degree. I think why most people call Honda's styling bland is because their cars never make people go "Wow!! that's hot!!"
Well, there is the problem. Dramatic or bold styling does not guarantee a “hot look”. It is about a different from the norm approach. Let me ask you, do you find anything dramatic or bold about Mazda6?
Honda did go the bold and dramatic way with the new Civic, especially in the front, and the interior. Blandness isn’t expected to result in love it or hate it response as was true with 2001-2005 Civic. People just call it… bland. OTOH, I have seen people “love” or “hate” the exterior and the interior of the new Civic.
Even with 2006 revision (necessitated by rather emotional response to styling), Honda decided to go for a more conservative look. It pulled out the rear a bit and gave it a more staid profile.
#1441 of 5530 Re: Accord Styling [mfletou1]
Jul 19, 2007 (1:33 pm)
I don't see why one would say Honda copied Sonata's rear end. In fact, when the new Sonata came out, people said its rear was similar to 2003-2005 Accord. So, I guess, what goes around, comes around. But here is the key. Look closely at the rear of the '08 Accord. The rear end is simply an evolution of 2006-2007 Accord but with improvised version of the 2003-2005 tail lamp design.
Accords have never been flashy but the key (in virtually every Honda) is in the details. However, there is a little something in the Accord that adds more flash than ever. The chrome around the window is thicker. At one time, people used to complain about having to deal with black plastic door handles and body matching door handles were an upgrade. Now, chrome would be an upgrade from standard color matching handles.
Accord finally gets a proper grill, and the front end is quite sporty. The side seems interesting to me, the rear could be slightly better with more styling to the lens. I would have liked to see an evolution of 1998 Accord tail lamp which was actually an evolution of 1988 Prelude's. I took tail lamps from those cars, and gave it a more edgier look (some of it is reflected in what we see in '08 Accord) and created this...
But then, had Honda gone that way, people would have said... Honda copied BMW (previous 3-series), Toyota (Avalon), Infiniti etc. Doesn't that look familiar?"
#1442 of 5530 Re: There is NEWS! [carguy58]
Jul 19, 2007 (1:40 pm)
I think the 2004+ TL does have a little wow factor to it and its not bland looking.
Yep. To my eyes, it is one of the best looking cars on the road (inside and out). It has "the elements". Interestingly enough, I find the basic design theme to have come from 1994-1997 Accord (the rear quarters), of course, edgier all over.
#1443 of 5530 Re: There is NEWS! [robertsmx]
Jul 19, 2007 (6:35 pm)
IMO, the term dramatic or bold styling is overused.
What is bold about Altima’s styling?
beats me. It looks good, but they just used elements from their other coupes (350z and g35).
Let me ask you, do you find anything dramatic or bold about Mazda6?
I think it was pretty bold when it first came out. At least if you think of bold as taking a chance and departing greatly from the norm. Whereas, at the time, Honda and Toyota were trying to "out-vanilla" each other, Mazda decided to take a chance and stand out, a far cry from the 626. Since the other manufacturers have followed suit and started adding a little flavor to their cars, the Mazda doesn't seem so bold anymore. But I do think it is still the best looking sedan in its class.
#1444 of 5530 Re: There is NEWS! [qbrozen]
Jul 19, 2007 (7:05 pm)
I think it was pretty bold when it first came out. At least if you think of bold as taking a chance and departing greatly from the norm
What exactly was a departure from the norm in Mazda6 styling? The key are in the details, the design is basic and in fact very safe (Mazda did go "bold" with RX8 and CX7 with some elements not normally seen in others). Good looking is not to be confused with bold. It has to do something different and unique. In fact, I could say TL's rear was kinda bold (also reflected in TSX) because of the way the shape uses vertical lines on short rear deck. But then, Volvos started using that too.
#1445 of 5530 Re: My view on 08 Accord: [user777]
Jul 19, 2007 (7:50 pm)
Man I think the Accord sedan has everything going for it except for the back end styling.
yes, i'd have to agree 100%, the back-end is a miss.
I have to disagree I really like the back end of the new Accord from what I have seen so far. especially on the pics of the Coupe! I like it 1,000 times better than the 2008 Subaru WRX from any angle.
I was 90% going to go Subaru now it's probably 75% Honda probably buy an Accord and a Fit. But some other cars are in the pipeline the WRX might drive pretty well.
But looks wise I really like the new Coupe and the Sedan looks very nice. I hope they have a better leather interior than 2007 tho.
#1446 of 5530 Re: My view on 08 Accord: [stevecebu]
Jul 20, 2007 (7:53 am)
i *hate* to say this, but i was behind a sonata the other day, and i liked the back end. yeah, i'm thinking hyundai (sp?) ripped off some nice elements of the accord.
but, the blunt nose and the back end could be better. gosh, the saturn ion has a better looking back end (IMHO).
#1447 of 5530 Re: My view on 08 Accord: [carguy58]
Jul 20, 2007 (8:20 am)
the fact of the matter is, honda DIDN"T flop on the back end of this accord, as styling is totally subjective and this is your opinion. they may have made it unnatractive to YOU, but that doesn't make it a 'flop.'
#1448 of 5530 Re: There is NEWS! [dolfan1]
Jul 20, 2007 (8:24 am)
you think they are more conservative than the competition?
hmmm...element. well nissans rouge is not really as orginal as this...
civic...sorry, this is the def. more sporty and different looking car when next to the sentra or mazda 3.
#1449 of 5530 Bold and repulsive
Jul 20, 2007 (8:33 am)
i agree with what robertsmx has said; a bold design does not guarantee a 'ooh thats hot!'.
I will say this; when i got my civic (06) i went inside to a mcdonalds to eat and a gentleman asked me if that was a new civic and he commented on how sharp and sporty it looked.
The civic sedan may not be as 'exciting' or 'sporty' as the coupe, but sporty and bold, or sporty and non conservative don't always belong in the same sentance.
the honda element is not exactly 'sporty' but is certainly not conservative. Same thing can be applied to the civic sedan; it has a sporting character, just not as much as the coupe, but it still looks very different and unconventinal.
Does ANYONE remember how many comments both civics got about making you feel like you are in the millenium falcon? surely han solo is not a conservative person!
Again, the notion that a car has to be sporty to be bold or not conservative is wrong, as i have just proven above.
And the civic coupe does get a lot of 'oooh thats hot!' especially when it first came out, and even my sedan was subjective to it. While the civic may be more commonplace and seen often as opposed to cars that are seen less on the road, that does not make it any less conservative.
Case in point: i can go weeks without seeing a vw rabbit on the road, but i can't go a day without seeing a civic. Do i think my rabbit is more dramatically styled? hardly, its very conservative (albiet clean looking with nice lines) compared to the civic.
While the new accord is not the boldest design out there, why should it be? i'm not going to go as far and say that honda is trying to cater to its older clientele, especially since their older clientel SHOULD still be driving that accord they bought a couple years ago.
I've seen plenty of people under the age of 30 driving accord coupes and sedans. I supsect the same with the new version as well, which, regardless of what ANYONE thinks, IS more aggressive than the current generation.
If the kind of car that makes you say 'oh thats hot' is a s2k or a 350z, thats good! Because as toplevel sports cars with high performance capabilities, they NEED to have some flair. Does ANY 4 door sedan need it? No. But the new accords are not boring in the least, and if you are of this mindset, why are you bothering looking at family sedans anyway, and why are you expecting so much? if you think the nissan altima is more radically styled and prefer it to the new accord, don't sit here pouting about how you 'wish' honda would have been more aggresive; suck it up and buy the altima! if you still have complaints, grow up.