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Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, Chevrolet Silverado 2500, Dodge Ram Pickup 2500, Truck
#106 of 211 Re: Duramax [coontie57]
Jun 10, 2006 (11:52 am)
I was the national fleet manager for a large business machine company in Rochester, New York for a number of years. During that time we transitioned from GM light-duty pickups to Fords and Dodges because of high cost of ownership issues.
Perhaps the latest generation of GM pickups will change my mind. We have recently made a small buy of 2006 Chevy 1500 class PUs. Our previous F150s were very good, but the new versions are not so good.
In the meantime the RAM 1500 and 2500s that we own (2002-2005s) have proved to be exceptionally solid and extremely reliable. These are all gas models, but in my experience the Cummins engine is in a league of it's own.
Most people I talk to or know are getting much better than 11.5 MPG with their Cummins equiped RAMs. I would survey some more Cummins owners before rushing to the conclusion that 11.5 is normal for that engine. Also, judging fuel consumption on a new motor is usually misleading. The Cummins is an exceptionally tight diesel motor. It may need 10,000 miles before you start to see "normal" numbers.
For '06 the Cummins equiped RAM comes with a new very heavy 4-speed 48RE fully adaptive automatic transmission. If you wait another year the RAM will have a new 6-speed heavy automatic built off of the extremely reliable 545RFE transmission.
Good luck and best regards,
#107 of 211 Re: Duramax [coontie57]
Jun 27, 2008 (3:16 pm)
Go read Inside Lines newest road test pitting the Dodge, Chevy and Ford HD's against each other... The Winner? The Duramax. It's a pretty interesting read.
#108 of 211 Re: Duramax [thebigal]
Jun 12, 2006 (2:53 am)
If you have the listing for the site you reference I would appreciate if you would post it as I am unfamiliar with it.
#109 of 211 Re: Duramax [dustyk]
Jun 12, 2006 (3:05 am)
What my Ohio friend told me about the 06 Dodge mileage was that when it was new he got 14.5 with the diesel driving to Florida towing nothing. Then 2 months later he drove down to NC pulling a trailer with a tractor on it.. then he got 11.5 mpg.. Those are awful numbers when diesel is $3 a gallon. Maybe he will do better when the engine has 10K on it or better.
#111 of 211 Re: Duramax [thebigal]
Jun 13, 2006 (2:45 am)
Thanks so much for the timely response. I will go read this now.
#112 of 211 Re: Duramax [thebigal]
Jun 13, 2006 (3:36 am)
I have read it and printed most off. If that doesn't help a person make up their mind nothing will.
Now the question is does a person wait for the 07's to come out and see what Chevy has waiting in the wings or buy an OLD 06 style.. ??
Might have to see what INCENTIVES will come out in the next few months.
Then its bye bye Ford.
They make it sound like their 7.2% grade in California was really a big test.. I know there are two grades in Eastern TN in the 7%+ range and lots in WNC... I only ran across one like that driving to Alaska last summer and it was coming out of Skagway.. Seems like lots of it was 7% running up to 11% but I might have forgotten.it was also really long... like 20 miles or so pulling UPGRADE... I have CRS now so the figures are only my gueses....estimates.... Both the Dodges and Chevy's ran around me on those grades with my 99 Ford diesel and I was only towing 9000lbs or so. It doesn't seem like the new Chevy would have a problem with the grades and my new 12000 5th wheel. I know those I talked to last summer really liked their Chevrolets but then so did the Dodge owners..
This article really helped me!! Thanks again.
#113 of 211 Re: Duramax [coontie57]
Jun 27, 2008 (3:16 pm)
Here's just my 2 cents worth... GM is redesigning the trucks this year, but from what I understand it's only the hlaf-tons. the HD's may not come along until much later, possibly even a year away from now. Like the article said - the GM ain't stylish but it get the job done ,and done better than the Ford or the Dodge. If styling is the issue, than check out the GMC version. It is exactly like the Silverado in capability, but in my opinion has a better look. But if you don't mind waiting, I am sure that GM's new HD line when it comes out will be bar none the best HD truck out there.
#114 of 211 Re: Duramax [thebigal]
Jun 13, 2006 (1:17 pm)
I would agree. I wonder how you find out when the HD is going to come out... Surely by Sept or so.??
#115 of 211 Re: Duramax [coontie57]
Jun 14, 2006 (4:12 pm)
My two cents: Performance aside in my experience the Cummins have been more reliable than the diesel engines from Ford or GM. The highly touted Allison transmissions have a reputation for noisy operation and irratic shifts after collecting some miles. On GMs, there's a problem with the rest of the truck. Past GMs have been the most unreliable. Our current '06s, although better than GMs of the past, have still collected a fair amount of downtime for various component quality and assembly issues. GMs have been the first to go rust. That and piston slap have resulted in significant loss for us at resale time.
If it wasn't for the inordinate amount of problems were having with the F150 series right now, the GM versions would be the worst. And at the moment the RAM series is our best performer for reliability. Only random electrical problems keep these vehicles from being as good as a Tundra. Next year the Cummins equiped RAM gets a six-speed automatic and a horsepower and torque boost. I haven't heard anything about Ford introducing six-speed auto, but it wouldn't surprize me that one's in the works.