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Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, Chevrolet Silverado 2500, Dodge Ram Pickup 2500, Truck
#1 of 211 Chey Silverado vs Dodge Ram
Dec 28, 2005 (3:40 pm)
Which one would you drive and why?
#2 of 211 neither
Dec 29, 2005 (6:25 am)
Ford F-150 is the only full size truck with standard 4 wheel antilock ventilated disc brakes. Chevy uses rear drums and Dodge uses 4 wheel discs--but rear ABS only is standard and they are not vented. Only Ford uses 3" rear springs. Chevy and Dodge (and Nissan and Toyota as well) use 2-1/2" rear springs. Ford has a thicker frame than Chevy and Dodge and the Chevy uses no front end structure at all--everything hangs off the fenders. Ford uses the longest bed bolts and only Ford bolts the bed through the subframe and straight into the frame of the truck. Ford mounts the rear shocks 51" apart--outside the frame--to make the ride smoother and more stable. Chevy and Dodge (plus Nissan and Toyota) mount the rear shocks 30" apart--inside the frame. Ford uses the largest oil filter and the largest capacity radiator. Ford uses cast aluminum in the front suspension to make the handling more nimble and lower road noise. Ford F-150 is the only truck to consider if you really look at it with an objective mind.
#3 of 211 Re: neither [uga91]
Dec 29, 2005 (2:39 pm)
With all that said about the Ford's frame, which by the way is now second behind the more rigid '06 Ram's frame, you failed to mention the main reason people buy pick-ups: The engine and towing capacity. Ford blows on both accounts. The 300hp Triton is not enough to pull the truck smoothly without straining let alone pull a 9000lbs trailer. The Dodge can when properly equipped. Ford's frame is not thicker than the fully-boxed hydro-formed Dodge frame any longer. Ford uses the largest oil filter and capacity radiator? So what, it still doesn't add anymore needed hp for all it's worth.
The Ford will soon be left all by it's lonesome when the '07 Chevy's and Toyota's hit the seen late next year and Ford hasn't made any clear plans to fully revise the F-150 except for added trim changes. The Ford is a good pick-up for what it is, but to say it's superior to the Dodge, what an overstatement. And to add all of the quality issues that have plagued the F-150 as of late, it doesn't purport to be the it truck after all.
I recently bought a '06 2500 HD Megacab 4x4 /CTD and it will swallow a F-250 whole. Word is out Ford is preparing an extended version of the Super Duty to compete with the awesome limo-of-a-truck Megacab. Who's following the leader now????
#4 of 211 Stick with the Chevy
Dec 30, 2005 (5:13 am)
Ford mounting the shocks on the out side of the frame does nothing to smooth the ride quality, it is simple a gimic they abvertise to catch your eye. Ventilated 4 wheel disc brakes may be standard on the Ford but rarely can you find a nice Chevy or Dodge lacking this feature. Plus the bed on the F-150 is fit only for buyers 7'6". I'm 6'3" and I can barely peep over the bed when the massive tail gate is down.
Stick with the silverado. Best engine choices along with the rugged Duramax deisel and Allison transmisson which is a down scaled version from Allison's military branch. The long and short is Dodge is a solid truck, Fords a solid truck for way tall guys and Chevy solid regardless. Stick with GM. There only getting better in 2007.
#5 of 211 Re: neither [blkhemi]
Dec 30, 2005 (7:15 am)
blkhemi, we are not talking about super duty trucks. We are talking about 1/2 ton trucks. The F-150 can tow 9900 lbs when properly equipped. It's torque that is important in towing and the 5.4 Triton has 365 ft-lbs. Right in line with the competition. The largest oil filter and radiator are just two examples of attention to detail that Ford uses. The 2007 Chevys are not out yet. Until they are we can see what Ford does. Finally, I posted with facts. Cold, hard facts. Anyone can look them up. I did not post opinion. Your statement of "I recently bought a '06 2500 HD Megacab 4x4 /CTD and it will swallow a F-250 whole" is your opinion and you're welcome to it. Ford has been #1 for about 29 years now and I have no doubt that Ford will do what it takes to stay there.
#6 of 211 Re: Stick with the Chevy [79customd]
Dec 30, 2005 (7:21 am)
Again with more opinion. I am 6'2" and I can tell you for a fact that I see just fine out the back of my 2005 SuperCrew. Ford uses the deepest bed, that is why the tailgate is so tall. Outside mounted shocks are not a gimmick, it works. Go to fordvehicles.com and go to the F-150 page. They have video of all the 2006 trucks going through the slalom. The Titan does the worst, but Ford is certainly the best. Not my opinion. Facts. Also, one more time, the 2007 Siverado is not out yet, so we can not talk about it here. I have no doubt that Chevy and Dodge will one day catch up to what Ford is doing, but Ford will pull away once again. (okay, that is my opinion)
#7 of 211 Re: Stick with the Chevy [uga91]
Dec 30, 2005 (7:40 am)
I have not gone to Ford.com and done all that but I will say that commercial they used to run about those outside shocks is FAKE. Ford unscrewed the sigh that said Chevy Silverado on it there for it wobbled more in the test than the nicely screwed on Ford sighn. Is your F-150 4x4 or 4x2? You can see into the 2 wheel drive but the 4x4, you about need high heels.
#8 of 211 Re: Stick with the Chevy [79customd]
Dec 30, 2005 (8:51 am)
okay, whatever you say. BTW, mine is 2WD.
#9 of 211 Re: neither [uga91]
Dec 30, 2005 (5:20 pm)
First off, the topic says "Chevy vs. Dodge"(no Blue Ovals were invited to start with), so it can be 1500, 2500, or 3500 trucks.
Being "#1" doesn't make it the best truck out there. Maybe that's why Ford is in the tank now on the brink of bankruptcy because it is doing "everything it can" to make sure the F-Series trucks remain there(leaving behind in the dust it's undesirable car units, except for the Mustang).
And you mentioned torque is what's important in towing. The Dodge has 375ft-lbs of it, the Nissan four better at 379.
The facts that you posted are true and direct(save about the frame statements, read up on the '06 Dodge frame revisions), however to make these facts appear that the Ford is superior over all others is just blasphermous. The Ford may have all of the trinkets in it's parts arsenal, what matters is how they are used. Judging by the latest of the usual Fix Or Repair Daily problems and quality issues, it appears that the Ford is still Built FORD "tough". (Toby Keith, how funny is that for a campaign ad)
#10 of 211 Re: neither [blkhemi]
Dec 31, 2005 (6:46 am)
You are absolutley correct, the topic was Chevy vs Dodge. I guess there is nothing wrong about a discussion about who makes the second best truck. If Dodge stepped up and answered Ford's call on the frame, then great. I will read about it. That is what makes competition wonderful. Ford creates a better mouse trap so the others step up to match it. I'm sure Chevy will do more with the 2007 version of its Silverado. Go ahead with your discussion. I would just suggest that you stick to the facts. Opinions like "my truck will stomp your truck into the ground" serve no real purpose and inform no one about anything. The truth about trucks proves Ford makes the best-built truck on the market. I like the Dodge. It was my second choice. I hope the new Mega Cab is a huge success. But, when push came to shove, the facts supported the F-150. Good luck on your new truck--I hope it gives you many years of reliable service. Now back to your "I'm #2!" discussion...