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Honda Civic, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#754 of 1341 Re: Disagree with CR (so do many others in the Bus) [ex_tdier]
May 22, 2006 (7:29 am)
Just because something is popular or is selling doesn't mean it's good or reliable
I agree, but, I never claimed popularity=reliability. Popularity=Higher sales, which in turn usually equals high profits, like MY 2005 was for Mazda.
Look at the Pontiac Solstice, that is popular, but, I would say it's to early to think it is reliable. However, the Mazda3 has been reliable overall. I know there are a few in the forum that have had trouble, but, show me the perfect trouble free car, it does not exist. Not even Honda can claim they have never had reliability issues with their Civic, because they have.
I would go with CR over JD Powers. I own a car for more then 90 days, so, JD Powers means nothing to me. JD Powers is only a 90 day survey of initial quality. CR is longevity. Just as many disagree with CR, same goes for JD Powers. Heck, JD Powers rated the Chevy Malibu top of it's class for 2005. I don't buy it. Everyone is different, that's just my opinion. We are all entitled to one.
#755 of 1341 Re: Making money = good service? [z71bill]
May 22, 2006 (1:23 pm)
In the long run this type of business philosophy always ends up losing out to the company that actually has happy REPETE customers
I think this generally applies to North American manufacturers which tends to be borderline in this area.
When it comes to the Japanese cars, there will always be some poor unsuspecting consumer who will count on the Japanese brand name to make them feel confident about their purchase and the brand's reliability.
There is absolutely no incentive for Mazda to change, not at this point anyways.
#756 of 1341 Re: Go with the Civic... [ex_tdier]
May 24, 2006 (12:10 pm)
unlike Mazda. honda wants to keep their reputation, Mazda aka Nippon Ford, just doesn't care.
I heard somewhere that this is stated in as yet unpublished chapter of The Da Vinci Code.
Can you tell us, of all the brands that Ford is involved with, what ones do they choose to support, and what ones they don't?
#757 of 1341 Re: Making money = good service? [ex_tdier]
May 24, 2006 (12:49 pm)
The postings get more and more bizarre.
So far the only recurring beef I hear about with the Mazda3 is a problem with the air conditioning (not malfunctioning, just not strong enough). I guess if you live in Arizona, you might have wanted to test that out before making a decision.
As for the rest of the posts, it appears to me the new Civic has 4+ recalls so far. The Mazda3 ZERO. Resale is dead even and ratings have them 1 and 2 respectively.
The rest is personal choice. I went with the Mazda and so far am quite happy. When I see a Civic go by I say, "hmmm, I know it's a good car, but I like mine better." Then I tap the gas and merge onto the highway with relative ease. That's the best part. No hesitation, no winding engine, no tach spiking. Just smooth response and plenty of pep. The Mazda keeps amazing me. I never thought a 4 cylinder car could perform like this (at least not one for under $20g).
Best to all.
#758 of 1341 Re: 04 Mazda3s5 [ex_tdier]
May 24, 2006 (12:56 pm)
So why is that the Lemon Aide guide has not been recommending Civics and other Hondas for at least 5 years now? I seem to recall their recommending the Mazda 3 though.
#760 of 1341 LemonAide [forbes3]
May 25, 2006 (12:40 pm)
Never heard of this Lemon Aide thing...Who is it and where can it be found?
#761 of 1341 Re: Making money = good service? [mongoose65]
May 25, 2006 (8:37 pm)
If one truly believes the only problem with the 3 is the A/C then needs glasses. For example, the most current posts at Mazda Problems and Solutions thread discuss other issues like the dangerous (life threatening), intermittent unsolved dying or stalling of the car. More posts at various Mazda forums. That definitely should tell you something.
Equally important and once again an attempt has been made to dismiss or overlook is poor the support of the product. Mazda just doesn't care. Is Mazda the worst car maker out there? NO, that's not the point. In comparison to the other Japanese auto makers, I would say it probably is the worst Japanese auto maker. It's the worst in customer service, service delivery and support when comparing it to Toyota, Honda, and probably Nissan.
Those that happen to be the lucky ones can never understand what those unfortunate souls have to go through unless they experience it for themselves. And sometimes, people are so blinded that they can't see what may be wrong with their car even if a mechanic told them; while other times, positive comments or posts are actually "plants" or moles from the dealership or car manufacturer.
For those that have bad experiences or lemons and there are many, we will continue to voice our concerns with the problems with our Mazda. We want others to know so they don't make the same mistake we did. And we're not going to stop voicing our issues despite the hijack attempts of the Mazda reps or those with a personal interest with Mazda North America.
There is no reason to trust the likes of Mazda. Look at what happened back 6 years ago. Mistubishi was implicated in 2000 in a cover-up scandal that resulted in the belated recall of about 600,000 cars and trucks, but company officials said they had resolved problems and repeatedly blamed poor maintenance by the trucks' owners.
A raid on Mitsubishi offices in 2004 ago yielded the evidence that exploded into one of the largest corporate scandals ever in Japan. Authorities say seized documents, and subsequent admission of fault by Mitsubishi Motors Corp. and a spinoff, Mitsubishi Fuso Truck & Bus Co., indicate that since the 1980s, the automakers systematically hid defects involving 800,000 vehicles. Among the hidden flaws were defective front axles on the same type of truck as that involved in a death.
If you like to gamble and be a risk taker then go for the Mazda.
#762 of 1341 Civic VS MAZDA3?
May 26, 2006 (5:56 am)
Honda is making a mistake - the should offer the Si engine with an automatic tranny.
This would solve the lack of power problem - and even things up with the Mazda3 - maybe even pull ahead.
I just do not understand it - why only offer a manual?
I would be willing to bet - if the had both auto and manual in the Si they would sell MORE AUTOMATICS. This would be even more the case with the 4 door.
Just because I want an auto does not mean I don't care about performance - I just do not like to sit in traffic for an hour or two with my foot on the clutch - been there - done that. As long as I live in a heavy traffic area it will be auto only.
#763 of 1341 Re: Civic VS MAZDA3? [z71bill]
May 26, 2006 (7:55 am)
I'm not sure how well an automatic would work with the Si. From what I've read, the real power lies between 6000-8000 rpm with a redline shift on the manual putting you in that powerband in the next gear. While it may not necessarily be undrivable, it probably wouldn't be much fun. That said, I can certainly relate to sitting in traffic with my foot on the clutch...I do it every day in my 3, and it gets tiresome.