Last post on Oct 10, 2013 at 7:50 AM
You are in the Honda Civic
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#751 of 1341 Re: Go with the Civic... [audia8q]
May 21, 2006 (3:46 pm)
If you go to www.mazdausa.com, and go to the news section, you will see Mazda had a monster year in sales and profit for 2005. I would say a lot is due to the Mazda3, and it's popularity. I don't see any decline for Mazda, or it's reliability.
Also, I know what I am about to say is beating a dead horse,I apologize to the Host, but, if you look at CR you will see Mazda is near the top of reliable cars. CR talks about longevity and durability. JD Powers is initial 90 day quality ratings. Who here buy's a car on it's quality rating's for just 90 days? If there is anyone here who would, I would like to know.
#752 of 1341 Disagree with CR (so do many others in the Bus)
May 21, 2006 (3:59 pm)
A lot of people who know how CR works dismiss the CR's findings and go with JD Powers which is the opposite. Just because something is popular or is selling doesn't mean it's good or reliable. It's not about product it's about Marketing.
#753 of 1341 Making money = good service?
May 21, 2006 (5:06 pm)
I don't think so - maybe the reason Mazda is making money is because they are NOT FIXING THE DEFECTS in the cars that they have already sold.
Don't honor your warranty - don't fix obvious problems - just say they are within spec - in the short run - these are things a company does to increase profit.
In the long run this type of business philosophy always ends up losing out to the company that actually has happy REPETE customers.
#754 of 1341 Re: Disagree with CR (so do many others in the Bus) [ex_tdier]
May 22, 2006 (7:29 am)
Just because something is popular or is selling doesn't mean it's good or reliable
I agree, but, I never claimed popularity=reliability. Popularity=Higher sales, which in turn usually equals high profits, like MY 2005 was for Mazda.
Look at the Pontiac Solstice, that is popular, but, I would say it's to early to think it is reliable. However, the Mazda3 has been reliable overall. I know there are a few in the forum that have had trouble, but, show me the perfect trouble free car, it does not exist. Not even Honda can claim they have never had reliability issues with their Civic, because they have.
I would go with CR over JD Powers. I own a car for more then 90 days, so, JD Powers means nothing to me. JD Powers is only a 90 day survey of initial quality. CR is longevity. Just as many disagree with CR, same goes for JD Powers. Heck, JD Powers rated the Chevy Malibu top of it's class for 2005. I don't buy it. Everyone is different, that's just my opinion. We are all entitled to one.
#755 of 1341 Re: Making money = good service? [z71bill]
May 22, 2006 (1:23 pm)
In the long run this type of business philosophy always ends up losing out to the company that actually has happy REPETE customers
I think this generally applies to North American manufacturers which tends to be borderline in this area.
When it comes to the Japanese cars, there will always be some poor unsuspecting consumer who will count on the Japanese brand name to make them feel confident about their purchase and the brand's reliability.
There is absolutely no incentive for Mazda to change, not at this point anyways.
#756 of 1341 Re: Go with the Civic... [ex_tdier]
May 24, 2006 (12:10 pm)
unlike Mazda. honda wants to keep their reputation, Mazda aka Nippon Ford, just doesn't care.
I heard somewhere that this is stated in as yet unpublished chapter of The Da Vinci Code.
Can you tell us, of all the brands that Ford is involved with, what ones do they choose to support, and what ones they don't?
#757 of 1341 Re: Making money = good service? [ex_tdier]
May 24, 2006 (12:49 pm)
The postings get more and more bizarre.
So far the only recurring beef I hear about with the Mazda3 is a problem with the air conditioning (not malfunctioning, just not strong enough). I guess if you live in Arizona, you might have wanted to test that out before making a decision.
As for the rest of the posts, it appears to me the new Civic has 4+ recalls so far. The Mazda3 ZERO. Resale is dead even and ratings have them 1 and 2 respectively.
The rest is personal choice. I went with the Mazda and so far am quite happy. When I see a Civic go by I say, "hmmm, I know it's a good car, but I like mine better." Then I tap the gas and merge onto the highway with relative ease. That's the best part. No hesitation, no winding engine, no tach spiking. Just smooth response and plenty of pep. The Mazda keeps amazing me. I never thought a 4 cylinder car could perform like this (at least not one for under $20g).
Best to all.
#758 of 1341 Re: 04 Mazda3s5 [ex_tdier]
May 24, 2006 (12:56 pm)
So why is that the Lemon Aide guide has not been recommending Civics and other Hondas for at least 5 years now? I seem to recall their recommending the Mazda 3 though.
#760 of 1341 LemonAide [forbes3]
May 25, 2006 (12:40 pm)
Never heard of this Lemon Aide thing...Who is it and where can it be found?