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You are in the Honda Civic
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#685 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [ss555]
Apr 27, 2006 (11:50 am)
True, when you drive them both, you don't have to think, you instinctively buy the Mazda. As for the interior, the "futuristic" look of the Honda is silly and annoying. The digital speedometer reminded me of a late 80's "K"-car concept and the whopping choice of "grey or tan" cloth interior is sad (and you don't even get that choice, it's based on exterior color selection). The ride was mushy and flat. From ALL the research I've done the reliability factor is a toss-up. Both are considered great however the 3 recalls of the new Civics doesn't bode well when compared to none for the Mazda. I checked resale values of 2004 models of each (I just purchased a 2006 Mazda 3SH after serious consideration of the Civic) and they were nearly identical. The only ones that stood out ahead for resale were the Mini Cooper (too small, odd and expensive) and the Acura TSX (too expensive but a way better vehicle than both the Civic and the Mazda3).
The only area the Honda won was fuel economy and the side airbags were standard. I could have gone either way but I definitely believe the Mazda drove and looked MUCH better (getting lots of compliments on it) and the Mazda dealers gave me more for my trade-in. Honda dealers wouldn't budge because the Civic is a new model.
To each his own. I feel like a got a great car and a really good deal.
Also, Honda bundles XM satellite radio while Mazda has Sirius. That's reason enough to buy a Mazda. XM is gawd-awful!!!! lol
#686 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [ss555]
Apr 27, 2006 (1:30 pm)
when honda starts building dealerships without service departments I might agree with your thoughts....do you have anything that backs up what your saying? (remember to stay on topic) Consumer Reports seems to like the Mazda3 compared to the Civic.
#687 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [ss555]
Apr 27, 2006 (3:02 pm)
Typical Honda owner response.
Mazda has a great reliability, in the Mazda3 as well as it's predesessor, Protege. I fail to see where the Mazda3 has had tranny problems. Consumer's give it a half red circle.
Honda has had great reliability history as well, however, first year bugs in the Honda Civic are unHonda like. As well as the few recall's. Possibly showing a decline in quality control, or maybe they rushed the production since the Mazda3 was eating the previous Civic for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. IMO
Since you were on the topic of tranny's, you might want to go to an Accord/Odyssey forum and check out their tranny history. Not so good.
#688 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [audia8q]
Apr 27, 2006 (3:19 pm)
CR likes both the Civic and the Mazda3, but they seem to like the Civic a little bit more, as they ranked the Civic ahead of the Mazda3 for both stick and automatic models.
#689 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [ss555]
Apr 27, 2006 (8:39 pm)
"...The only thing postive mentioned about the mazda here is the looks and the drive quality..."
in addition to better driving dynamics (more precise steering, minimal body roll, and tighter sprung suspension), the mazda outhandles, outbrakes, and outaccelerates the civic (civic si excluded)...actually comparing the slalom speed and 60-0 braking between the si and 3S (from the civic vs mazda 3 comparo to the latest gti vs civic si comparo), the mazda still slices thru the slalom at a higher speed and requires considerably less real estate to screech to a halt so the only performance spec where the si does better than the 3 is acceleration.
"...Economy 38 mpg civic VS 32 mpg 3, at highway speeds the 2.3l erngine in a 3 wont do more than 24-25 MPG as compared to 33-34 by the civic..."
i get nearly 33 MPG in my 3S 5 door w/ MT in highway driving and approx 27-29 MPG in mixed city/highway driving. the best my 99 civic ex w/ MT did in highway driving was a bit over 33 MPG. the new civic does have higher EPA ratings than my old one, but it wasn't enough to make me want to buy it. when test drove it before i purchased my 3, i thought it was a woefully boring car to drive. while smooth revving and quiet, the car felt sluggish even when i spun it up to redline. brakes were weak. steering felt overboosted, vague and lacking feedback.
"...Overall the civic is ahead of the 3 by leaps and bounds..."
as a former civic owner who has driven the new civic and now owns a 3, i feel the 3 is ahead by leaps and bounds actually.
"...You dont have to think to buy a HONDA..."
it's never smart to stop thinking.
#690 of 1341 Mazda 3 tranny...
Apr 28, 2006 (10:23 am)
I don't see any complaints about the tranny.
As both a Honda and a Mazda fan I'm sure Honda will fix the bugs in the Civic. Honda had problems with the 01 Civic in its first model year too but they got them worked out for the 02 Civic. As for the 3 eating the previous Civic's breakfast well Mazda did a good job with the 3. You have to give them credit where its due.
As for the new Civic it has to dump the digital gauge though. I sat in a the new Civic at the Jersey Auto Expo. The interior plastics were good and the exterior styling on the coupe was good but the digital gauge and the tech-y interior I didn't care for it. I prefer the 96-00 Civic's dash layout because the gauges were clear and easy to read.
#691 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 tranny... [carguy58]
Apr 28, 2006 (10:58 am)
As for the new Civic it has to dump the digital gauge though.
I agree.. I didn't realize that anyone besides Buick and Gran Marquis buyers liked the digital gauges..Maybe they are targeting older buyers. Somebody start a Gran Marquis vs Civic thread. LOL
Apr 28, 2006 (11:03 am)
I too like many of you on here are faced with this decision.
I really like both cars but there are a few concerns holding me back maybe some of you can address.
civic: i am concerned with all of this new model stuff, exactly how terrible is the new civic? also it says 100k mile with no major service what exactly does this entail?
M3: Is the reliability of the engine good? I know its the same engine the focus uses I just don't want to have a POS ford engine. Also how bad are is the $$ spent on services is it 100k miles till the first one like on the civic? Does it have a timing chain or belt?
Or should i say screw it all and spend some extra cash and get an Accord? lol
#693 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [ss555]
Apr 28, 2006 (11:07 am)
"You dont have to think to buy a HONDA. "
Hey, you finally got something right.
No thinking, just line up behind the rest of the lemmings....
#694 of 1341 Re: A Mazda is still a Mazda, cant compete with a HONDA [the1maddog]
Apr 28, 2006 (9:27 pm)
i get nearly 33 MPG in my 3S 5 door w/ MT in highway driving and approx 27-29 MPG in mixed city/highway driving.
Sad. My more powerful, larger, heavier Accord gets better MPG than that on the highway (36MPG at 75MPH cruise). And that's an auto.