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#51 of 1333 Re: Here's the problem.... [warner] by gosteelerz Dec 28, 2005 (10:27 am)
Replying to: warner (Dec 28, 2005 8:29 am) Well, here's the problem with that logic....when you are reviewing an economy car, there are certain characteristics that an economy car is designed to excel at, the first of which would be....anyone? Yes, ECONOMY. Like I said in another post, what they did is akin to testing two high performance sports cars and then announcing that they chose the one that got the best fuel economy as the winner. That's NOT what high performance cars are designed to do, and nobody CARES how efficient they are. So as reviewers of automobiles, they DO have certain journalistic responsibilities to the readers...they can't just define what they like in a car when they are comparing cars that are designed for a particular purpose. Do you not agree? What if they did an off-road truck test and picked the truck that went through the slalom fastest or got the best skidpad performance, while ignoring the off-road ability or towing capacity? Who cares? It's not what those particular vehicles were designed to do well. That's the point.   So let's all cut to the chase and buy a Hyundai Accent. Economy car could simply mean, car you can afford. Just because im a not wealthy doesn't mean I should be deprived of having bit of driving enjoyment. We could look at it this way, if the 3 vanished from the marketplace it would be sorely missed by enthusiasts. If the Civic vanish you could always buy a Corolla. Replies to this message: backy (Dec 28, 2005 11:52 am) gosteelerz (Dec 28, 2005 12:49 pm)
#52 of 1333 Re: Safey????? [mcap] by lmp180psu Dec 28, 2005 (10:28 am)
Replying to: mcap (Dec 28, 2005 8:24 am) I didn't say that the 3 is equal to the Civic because of the SAB/SAC (please read again) I did say that the Civic was rated as a best pick by one of the gov't agencies (can't remember), but the 3 is not a death trap. I wasn't trying to say airbags automatically make a vehicle 'good' safety-wise. I am not sure if the rear pillar airbags deploy in a rear end collision, but if they do, then those could help the rear safety rating, since the tested 3 didn't have SAB/SAC.   Let's say that from reports/pictures from owners on other forums that have been in pretty serious collisions, I feel very safe in my vehicle. Replies to this message: spinzero (Dec 28, 2005 6:45 pm)
#53 of 1333 Re: Missing the point [mcap] by mrblonde49 Dec 28, 2005 (10:34 am)
Replying to: mcap (Dec 28, 2005 10:21 am) "Handling/breaking is not going to stop you from getting rear ended while at a stop light or prevent someone from running a stop sign and slamming into the side of your car in an intersection. With drivers driving trucks to the corner store, talking on cell phones, reading, eating, and rearranging their financial portfolios while driving these days, passive safety measures well above and beyond handling are critical. "   And active ones are just as critical - especially in the scenerios you just described. Inattentive drivers mean that you are more likely to have to perform emergency handling and braking, as they drift into your lane, or brake suddenly. You are taking one mark - marginal for rear impact in the MZ3 testing (no SAB testing for side, so that's inconclusive as of yet) and trumpeting this as a huge victory in safety. Well, it's a victory, though we cant really say how large or small it is, but I think that YOU are missing the point if you don't include accident avoidence in the equation. It's a very big part of it Replies to this message: chidoro (Dec 28, 2005 12:38 pm)
#54 of 1333 Re: Ah yes, the usual Honda rebuttal. [mrblonde49] by gosteelerz Dec 28, 2005 (10:35 am)
Replying to: mrblonde49 (Dec 28, 2005 9:34 am) "Maybe I'm missing something, but why are some people here under the assumption that the 3 doesn't have side airbags? They are standard on 3s Touring and Grand touring, and available on ANY model 3. Civic has them standard, and that's good, but anyone who wants side/head curtain airbags can get them on any model 3."   Mazda Canada doesn't seem to think we need them here. I never gave it much thought until it was brought up on the Canadian Driver forum. We get heated mirrors and an external thermometer instead. We also do not get HID lights. Honda deleted the auxillary input for the radio up here for some strange reason as well. Replies to this message: mrblonde49 (Dec 28, 2005 10:44 am) gosteelerz (Dec 28, 2005 10:52 am)
#55 of 1333 Re: Ah yes, the usual Honda rebuttal. [gosteelerz] by mrblonde49 Dec 28, 2005 (10:44 am)
Replying to: gosteelerz (Dec 28, 2005 10:35 am) "Mazda Canada doesn't seem to think we need them here. "   The side airbags aren't available at all in Canada? Replies to this message: gosteelerz (Dec 28, 2005 10:52 am)
#56 of 1333 Re: Ah yes, the usual Honda rebuttal. [mrblonde49] by gosteelerz Dec 28, 2005 (10:52 am)
Replying to: mrblonde49 (Dec 28, 2005 10:44 am) The side airbags aren't available at all in Canada?   No, but the cars are comparatively cheaper here too. Believe it or not the Focus costs more here than the 3.
#57 of 1333 Re: Here's the problem.... [gosteelerz] by backy Dec 28, 2005 (11:52 am)
Replying to: gosteelerz (Dec 28, 2005 10:27 am) It's common for the auto mags (including Edmunds.com here as a "virtual" mag) to put performance above everything else in their reviews. So why is it surprising to some here that Edmunds.com did that in comparing the Civic and Mazda3? For example, the last time C/D did a big economy car comparo, they put the Protege (Mazda3's predecessor) first. One might ask why, when it was not the most economical in fuel consumption nor the least expensive. And it was not the most safe, based on crash tests. It was because it had the best handling of the bunch. In another recent comparo of economy sedans (I think it was in MT), the Mazda3 took first place; again, it wasn't the most economical, but had the best overall performance and "fun to drive" factor.   As someone else said, if you want to read a review of economy cars in which performance is not Numero Uno, try Consumer Reports. Who knows, maybe the Civic will come out on top when they next test small cars. It was their top choice at one time, but the prior design was later topped in their ratings by the Focus, Mazda3, and Prius. Since CR puts strong value on safety and fuel economy as well as performance in their ratings, they should like the new Civic a lot. One thing for sure: the Civic will be more highly recommended by CR than is the Mazda3, because CR will give its top recommendation only to cars that have received decent scores in crash tests. (They recommend the Mazda3, but it's their "second tier" recommendation reserved for cars that haven't received a good score on all crash tests.) Replies to this message: gosteelerz (Dec 28, 2005 12:49 pm)
#58 of 1333 Re: Unfair comparison [allfiredup] by xqu Dec 28, 2005 (12:10 pm)
Replying to: allfiredup (Dec 27, 2005 9:18 pm) All I'm saying is 3i touring with comparable options (Sun roof and ABS/SAB...) are very close on price with Civic EX and Edmunds should've compare them, not a 3s with the 2.3L engine against 1.8L in the Civic.   Yeah, the 2.0L in 3i is still faster than Civic's 1.8L but they are a closer match, price and performance wise.   Or use the 3i w/o option compare to Civic LX!
#60 of 1333 safety rating US car vs. World car by herrkaleu Dec 28, 2005 (12:26 pm)
If a manufacturere builds a car for one market only (like the US Civic) it only need s to optimize it for those crash tests. That's why French cars in Europe have good crash results... cause they only need to survive European tests. The 2006 civic is different from the european model... it only needed to survive the US tests. (differences are: Europe tests offset crash the car hitting a moveable barrier with only the right or left front side while US tests hit a permanent barrier frontal etc...). A car that is sold in both "worlds" has to be muchbetter designed cause it needs to give good results under more scenarios. If you buy a VW Jetta that scores 5 stars in Europe AND in the US you have a better car than a Civic that has never been tested under European crash test conditions. The same for the Mazda 3 that is sold in hte US and in europe. In the end..in real life... Mazda 3 and the US civic will be very similiar.

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