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Honda Civic, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
Jan 20, 2006 (2:32 am)
Reading some of these postings, just wanted to add my 2 cents. I have a 2004 Mazda 3 S model. ABS is not standard for this year, it was a option. I told my mechanic this and he could not believe it. He had to look around for himself. I have been told, that it's advantages are not worth it. If you have any problems. Real expensive to fix. Next, I was talking to the Asst. Service manager at my local Mazda dealer. And he informed me that a Mazdaspeed version of the 3 will be coming by the end of year. And that it will have the Turbo 2.3 engine, bump it up just a little bit and it would be in the WRX STI class. But even with the 275 HP engine, it will eat a Civic SI for breakfast.
#361 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 [mazda3_tom]
Jan 20, 2006 (5:52 am)
"Mazdaspeed version of the 3 will be coming by the end of year. .. And that it will have the Turbo 2.3 engine, bump it up just a little bit and it would be in the WRX STI class. But even with the 275 HP engine, it will eat a Civic SI for breakfast. "
I'm waiting bring it on!! Assuming you are correct, it will be the only Mazda 3 that will beat the Civic Si and it will probably not be distinguish from the cartoonish regular Mazda 3.
I really like turbos! The lag is an awesome feeling. You push on the accelerator an in 0.5 seconds you get that manly turbo whine and then the Whoosh of power! Then with turbo you get to enjoy your car another 60 seconds as you let your turbo cool down. An best of all you don't have to worry about small oil leaks because you get to change your oil more often and minor oil burn/leaks no longer mattter. And best of all turbos allow you to trade you cars more often, because of the shorter turbo engine life, without having to overly justify to you new car purchase management. I LOVE TURBOs
H'mm a 2.3 turbo what do you think the mileage rating will drop too ? I am guessing 20/29 Does that still qualify it as a economy car? Look out SRT-4 you have company!
#362 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 [mazda3_tom]
Jan 20, 2006 (12:39 pm)
But even with the 275 HP engine, it will eat a Civic SI for breakfast.
Will it be available for $20k as is the Civic Si? If it costs much more and doesen't have lots more features, it SHOULD be that powerful. Since the MazdaSpeed 6 starts around $29k, I'm guessing the 3 will be starting at $25k or so. Anyone's thoughts on pricing?
PS: I'd like to mention, that despite being the fastest car in test by a large margin, the MazdaSpeed 6 got beaten by a Jetta, Acura TSX, Honda Accord EXV6 6-speed, and missed last because one car was worse...a Pontiac.
Engine isn't everything; remember that.
#363 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 [thegraduate]
Jan 20, 2006 (4:49 pm)
"PS: I'd like to mention, that despite being the fastest car in test by a large margin, the MazdaSpeed 6 got beaten by a Jetta, Acura TSX, Honda Accord EXV6 6-speed, and missed last because one car was worse...a Pontiac.
Engine isn't everything; remember that."
u're right...the engine isn't everything. however in the case of the the C&D comparo, the MS6 was at the top in nearly all the measured tests and it wasn't just the straight line stuff. where the C&D writers felt the MS6 fell short was in luxury and refinement. they specifically felt the exhaust note was annoying and docked the MS6 for lacking leather upholstery and a moonroof.
of course those options are available options at additional cost, but would've put the MS6 over the $30K ceiling. then again, the Acura and Honda don't come w/ AWD and as performance oriented suspension tuning either. so as some folks like to say, reviews need be considered w/ enormous mounds of salt.
#364 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 [mazda3_tom]
Jan 20, 2006 (5:35 pm)
"...a Mazdaspeed version of the 3 will be coming by the end of year. And that it will have the Turbo 2.3 engine..."
we can only wait to see, but if and when it arrives, it should be a pretty sweet ride!
#365 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 [midnightcowboy]
Jan 20, 2006 (6:17 pm)
"I really like turbos! The lag is an awesome feeling."
the MS3 is rumored to come w/ a slightly detuned MS6 engine. if this is true, then the MS3 shouldn't have any lag either since those who have driven the MS6 say that turbo lag is not an issue.
#366 of 1341 I really like turbos!
Jan 20, 2006 (7:05 pm)
My 81 T/A had a turbo - also a 4 barrel carb - when you floored it the turbo and the 4 barrel would kick in at the same time - right before the tranny (auto) down shifted - even if you were going 45 mph the rear wheels would break loose - if you were not careful you would end up sideways - it was lots of fun - that is what turbos are for (in cars anyway) they give you a burst of power - but the only way to keep the turbo boost on high was to keep the gad pedal almost all the way to the floor - in a short time I would be well past 100 mph - as soon as you let up on the gas the boost drops.
If you drive one for a while you know exactly what to do to kick it in and it becomes as easy as - say downshifting a manual tranny from 4th to 3rd.
My turbo needed an overhaul at 40K - speed comes at a price - about $600 if I recall - and I had it rebuilt - replacement was close to $1,500.
#367 of 1341 Re: Mazda 3 [the1maddog]
Jan 20, 2006 (9:40 pm)
Should sacrifices be made when spending 30k?
I'm left wondering who will buy the Mazdaspeed 6, in all fairness/seriousness. Most of the tuner/subielovers/speedracers are going to be pining for the Subaru WRX STI and Lancer Evo. Will the Mazda garner a second look from these guys?
I would think that maybe the Altima SE-R would be a direct competitor to the MazdaSpeed 6, but in that case, I'd have to pick Altima hands down for interior/great exhaust/larger interior/no humped up front end.
of course those options are available options at additional cost, but would've put the MS6 over the $30K ceiling. then again, the Acura and Honda don't come w/ AWD and as performance oriented suspension tuning either.
The Acura TSX is cited for its "gazelle moves" and "snick-snick" shifter, and "sweet engine" above all. The Mazda garnered praise for "good control layout, eager responses, and power to burn." Not exactly raving over its powertrain/chassis handling. I agree that the Accord really isn't a competitor in the truest sense, as it was awarded with praise for its seats, room, and WONDERFUL engine. It is a bit soft for the "sport-sedan" crowd, but perfect for families after a sporty-handling sedan.
Sorry for the sidebar, folks!
Back to the compact cars!
Jan 23, 2006 (1:51 pm)
I said...BACK TO THE COMPACT CARS! haha, Did everyone get bored with this subject, or are you just waiting on someone ELSE to post first?
#369 of 1341 Re: AHEM! [thegraduate]
Jan 24, 2006 (5:59 am)
I'll post... Curious as to what people think about the M3 vs the '07 Camry Hybrid. I know that's not a fair comparison on many levels, but it might be competition (for me) for the M3. The civic si isn't (because I want a sedan, and I don't want another civic).
In my mind, I like the 3, but it would be nice if it had just a touch more power and/or it would be awesome if the gas mileage was better. With those 2 things in mind, the Camry hybrid looks perfect.... except that I have no idea how it might drive; the 3 is lots of fun with great handling, any guesses as to how the camry might be? And would it be worth the (likely $8k +) price premium? That may be my deciding factor anyway...