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You are in the Honda Civic
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Honda Civic, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#251 of 1341 Re: RESALE VALUE [thegraduate]
Jan 05, 2006 (11:38 am)
"I am referring to Mazda as a whole. The "madness" is that the 2 generations old Civic (2000) has $2,390 better resale than the one generation old Mazda (2000). THAT'S madness. Keep in mind, the Civic resale I alluded to was the last model year for that generation, and had been out since late 1995. I'd call it more than fair. "
The 3 is showing to retain much more value than the protege - that's the part you don't seem to get. Compare an 04 civic to an 04 3. Civic resale won't get much better w/ new generation - how can it?
Here's a comparison, trying to matchup options between both cars. Same mileage, color, and condition Not much difference, is there?
2004 Mazda MAZDA3 s 4dr Sedan (2.3L 4cyl 5M)
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $11,894 $13,037 $14,941
Optional Equipment $793 $861 $1,082
Front Side Airbags $93 $101 $127
4-Wheel ABS $187 $203 $255
Front and Rear Head Airbags $93 $101 $127
4-Speed Automatic Transmission $420 $456 $573
Gray $24 $27 $30
for Zip Code 07885 $-27 $-30 $-34
35,000 miles $-622 $-622 $-622
Clean $0 $0 $0
Total $12,062 $13,273 $15,397
Certified Used Vehicle $16,397
2004 Honda Civic EX 4dr Sedan (1.7L 4cyl 5M)
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $12,656 $13,741 $15,551
Optional Equipment $620 $659 $806
Front Side Airbags $148 $157 $192
4-Speed Automatic Transmission $472 $502 $614
Gray $26 $28 $32
for Zip Code 07885 $-29 $-32 $-36
35,000 miles $-622 $-622 $-622
Clean $0 $0 $0
Total $12,651 $13,774 $15,731
Certified Used Vehicle $16,758
Jan 05, 2006 (11:44 am)
You lnow Mr Blondie49 has made some excellent points about the Mazda 3. I even went back and reread reviews on the Mazda 3. There is an excellent one in Auto Consumer Guide.
I think both the Mazda 3 and the Civic Si are great cars for what I am looking for. The regular Civic is a little slow for me; I had a 1980 1500 GL Civic and at the time I really liked getting 30 mpg on the highway. In Houston, the driving level and pace is much, much faster than where I used to live. That and the fact that I don't no how to drive automatics, blew the Prius for me.
However, Maybe it is because I am older, but I really don't like the red gauges at night. I had a 98 BMW M3 and about the only thing I didn't like was the red/orange night gauge display. I had a 95 Integra GSR and it was very clear black on white. I liked the new RSX-X except for the red-orange display or I probably would have one.
Eveen thopught the Si has a redish background, the Si is clear digital and easy for me to se as well as the tachometer. I also have a 2005 Accord which has very clear black on white displays.
More than anything else, the red gauges probably blew the Mazda 3 wagon choice.
Again, I think both are great cars and you really can't go wrong with either.
cruis'n in 6th,
P.S.- I have a brother-in-law that has a Mazda^ 4 cyl automatic and only gets 23-24 on the highway. I have a 6 cyl Accord 6-speed and get 29 mpg on the highway. That is my only true reference point about mazda milage claims so I could be wrong about the mileage of the 3 (2.3L) and 3i (2.0L) engines.
P.S.S - Whatever car you get watchout for the Priuses. Therer are more and more of them out there and they go slow. So be careful and don't run over them.
P.S.S. - Get Mazda to make a black on white gauge option and I will reconsider. The MX5 is a great value convertable
#253 of 1341 Re: Red Gauges [midnightcowboy]
Jan 05, 2006 (11:50 am)
Gauge colors are clearly subjective, but I like the looks of the red at nite - especially with the small blue touches for some contrast.
#254 of 1341 Re: Red Gauges [mrblonde49]
Jan 05, 2006 (12:23 pm)
Actually maybe I should have been clearer. I had 20-20 vision all my life but now need reading glasses to see clearly close-up. It is harder for me to focus and see clearly on red-ish orange smaller displays.
Again, thanks for your knowledge and input about the Mazda 3.
#255 of 1341 Re: Red Gauges [midnightcowboy]
Jan 05, 2006 (1:02 pm)
I didn't come here to bash the civic. Both cars are great cars that cater to slightly different crowds, with some intersection. I'm sure 95% of their respective owners are very happy with their choices, and that's a good thing in car ownership these days
#256 of 1341 Red gauges!
Jan 05, 2006 (1:34 pm)
Red gauges or checkered pattern seats (like on the Mazda3) become invisible after a few weeks of ownership.
But things like weak brakes - limited engine power - sloppy ride and poor handling last forever!
#257 of 1341 Re: Fair Comparison ? [03accordman]
Jan 05, 2006 (1:54 pm)
It's an Mazda 3
#258 of 1341 Comparo...
Jan 05, 2006 (4:11 pm)
Hello all, I was debating purchasing both of these vehicles. I was looking for a new commuter car and had basically open requirements, not bound to any brand even though I own and have owned several Hondas. Both the better half and I drove the Mazda3 and Civic a few times.
I was flexible in regard to features with the exception of navigation, newly offered in the Civic EX, and option I wanted to have. This also required I step up to the Mazda3 grand touring model. In my particular comparison the Mazda did come out priced a few thousand higher. Granted the Mazda also has some added options the Civic does not such as; xenons, heated seats, etc.
Both of these are really great vehicles in their respective class, I'm not adding anything new people do not already know. I honestly think they are so different and even though are classified in the same class cater to a different crowd.
For me...and the wife a few things stood out in favor of the Civic. The Civic had more usable interior room both passenger and usable compartment space. A more user friendly dash layout or better put easier on the eyes, granted the Civic's layout is not the norm with the speedo higher. The Mazdas gauge color (orange) seemed to wash everything out. The Civic has voice activated Navi/audio controls, the Mazdas does not. The seats in the Civic were and still are very comfortable, the Mazdas were uncomfortable even on short drives. The Civic is quieter in terms of road noise heard in the cabin. While subjective I personally like the styling of the Civic better, for me it takes some queues from Acura.
In favor of the Mazda were leather seating surfaces, not offered on the Civic. The car handles better, although the higher level of road noise does not add to the driving experience IMHO. The heated seats while very nice in my Audi, heated only a portion of the seat bottom on the Mazda, I test drove another Mazda with heated seats to verify this. Also, the heated seats are only on/off, not variable.
Some have argued in favor of the stereos, to me they both sounded about the same.
Also, anecdotal, two people I know have Mazda3s both have owners complained about squeaky brakes and underpowered AC units.
I do believe Mazda and Honda differ in terms of production philosophy. In mazdas case, they simply put out TSBs for which their dealer network seems unaware of. I don't know to what lengths if any Mazda goes through to correct their production problems, this may be influenced by Ford, but who knows. In my case, delivery of the Civic was delayed. I was told they briefly stopped production to correct an issue with the acceleration pedal. To me this displays Hondas commitment to the customer, or a least a commitment to not face a lawsuit, the two are not mutually exclusive. Hondas reputation for quality is earned not given, in Mazdas case as many car manufacturers they've learned a company makes money in spite of itself for only so long.
In any event, the Civic became the right choice for me at this time.
#259 of 1341 Re: Comparo... [mvs1]
Jan 05, 2006 (5:40 pm)
i agree, mazda is like darth vader. they are just out sway you over to the dark side and to put the screws to you.
#260 of 1341 Re: RESALE VALUE [thegraduate]
Jan 05, 2006 (7:08 pm)
I am referring to Mazda as a whole. The "madness" is that the 2 generations old Civic (2000) has $2,390 better resale than the one generation old Mazda (2000). THAT'S madness.
Resale price means nothing unless you consider the original purchase price. What if originally the Civic cost $2400+ more than the Protege? Not at all out of the question, since the Protege often had incentives and the Civic did not.