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Replying to: gosteelerz (Dec 30, 2005 7:52 pm) If buy the Si, you are basically joining the boy-racer tuner crowd. You're imediate(sic) competion will not be the 3, it will be cars like the Cobalt SS, SRT-4's, WRX etc. in which case you will suffer in humiliation. Oh, I also forgot the 17 year old kid in his mommy's new RAV 4, better watch for those too. It would make more sense to Compare an Si to a 6 cyl Mustang which is about it's level of practicality. " LOL, you immedaitely join the tuner crowd. Actually , I look at the Civic Si as a fun upscale commuter car, similar to Integra GSR and CRX Si that I had in the past. The Cobalt SS and SRT-4 ( no longer made) are fast, but cheap and unrealiable cars. The WRX is another $10,000 more and is turbo based; turbo lag etc. You assume humliation, but maybe a person doesn't have racing in mind at all, maybe just the fun of driving. But compared to low powered cars such as a 92 Civic or a 2003 Protege the performance of a 2006 Civic or a 2006 Mazda 3 would be phenomenal. Much less the awesome, Civic Si. The last statement is the most ridiculous comparing a Mustange V6 to an Si. I had my last Ford (Taurus SHO)in 1990 and it was a great car for 2 1/2 years until it turned into a Ford. Ford service and Frod Customer support for out-of-state (no vaction) out-of-warranty cars is very bad. I will never have another Ford. and to compare a v6 Mustang to a Honda Civic Si was a JOKE right. Bottom line, I like the Honda Civic Si and you don't! So be it. But just because the Si is better than the Mazda 3 2.3L is no reason to diss it! Happy New Year, MidCow
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Its not that people can't learn how to drive a manual - People buy cars with automatic transmissions because that is what they WANT. If you want a manual GREAT for you - but trying to tell people what they should drive makes you look like a complete jerk. I spend hours every week stuck in bumper to bumper traffic - that alone is reason enough (for me) to get an auto. IMO - Many of the people who drive manuals because they think they have better performance would actually be able to go from 0-60 faster with an auto tranny. Can't convince then that they are wrong - because they really do believe they are great drivers - think they must be REALLY MOVING FAST because you are REVVVVING the engine and POWER SHIFTING like crazy.
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Replying to: z71bill (Dec 31, 2005 10:08 am)
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Replying to: earth (Dec 31, 2005 10:48 am) There are a lot of people who drive through light traffic and then tell us you can just stay in 1st or second gear. And how exactly does that work? The traffic hear starts at a dead stop, speads to 10 mph and then comes to a dead stop again. If you keep enough distance infront of you, cars will just change over and fill the space. Sometimes my commute took 2 hours of non-stop shifting. There is no comparision in terms of control, sportiness and fun. Stick wins. The manumatics are no subsitute either. But having an auto in traffic has been a good, good thing.
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Replying to: mcap (Dec 31, 2005 11:15 am) Amen to that. I think we'd be a little better off if we tried to walk in others' shoes once in awhile, rather than assuming that "what's OK for me must be OK for everyone else." Another reason these days to choose an automatic is that they are starting to get better fuel economy than stick shifs. The '06 Civic is a good example of that trend. I've noticed it on a few other newer cars too.
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Replying to: z71bill (Dec 31, 2005 10:08 am) That's a little strong. If I had to guess, he's just trying to get people to try it out. If I had never driven a manual (upon request of my grandfather who told me I should learn) I would have just thought it another chore to add to driving. Instead, I found it to be fun. Do I drive a manual? No, I have two automatic equipped cars, from the company that makes the best manuals in the business (Honda). I had the option of getting a stick, but I also drive in rush hour daily so manual driving wouldn't be fun most of the time. IMO - Many of the people who drive manuals because they think they have better performance would actually be able to go from 0-60 faster with an auto tranny. Can't convince then that they are wrong - because they really do believe they are great drivers - think they must be REALLY MOVING FAST because you are REVVVVING the engine and POWER SHIFTING like crazy. A friend of mine drives like she's afraid to pass a bicycle, but she loves driving a stick. She currently has a manual explorer, and hates driving automatics. She doesen't power shift (or know what that term means), or rev the engine like crazy, she just likes the fin of a manual.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 31, 2005 2:16 pm) There you described my wife.  Although she drives fast enough to pass people in their Buicks.
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Dec 31, 2005 9:45 am) You assume humiliation, but maybe a person doesn't have racing in mind at all, maybe just the fun of driving. But compared to low powered cars such as a 92 Civic or a 2003 Protege the performance of a 2006 Civic or a 2006 Mazda 3 would be phenomenal. Much less the awesome, Civic Si. It's because Honda made amazing cars like the Integra GSR that has made me a bit jaded about it's current offerings. And yes it is about driving fun, that's why I got the Protege. There was no fun to be had in a 7th gen Civic at the time. The last statement is the most ridiculous comparing a Mustang V6 to an Si. I had my last Ford (Taurus SHO)in 1990 and it was a great car for 2 1/2 years until it turned into a Ford. Ford service and Frod Customer support for out-of-state (no vaction) out-of-warranty cars is very bad. I will never have another Ford. and to compare a v6 Mustang to a Honda Civic Si was a JOKE right. Bottom line, I like the Honda Civic Si and you don't! So be it. But just because the Si is better than the Mazda 3 2.3L is no reason to diss it! I drew the comparison between the Mustang and the Si because the SI would be as useful at carrying a family around as a Mustang. Sure most Fords are notorious for reliability but the Mustang is not too bad. Bottom line is the Si is a couple of tenths quicker in a straight line than the 3, but gives up that advantage in handling and braking. As someone who obviously likes Hondas doesn't it sadden you to have to compare th SI coupe against the run-of-the mill Mazda.
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Replying to: backy (Dec 31, 2005 7:44 am) Well thats because Mazda has a strong demand for the 3. Thry same can;t be said for other models in their line-up which have hefty rebates. Mazda builds good cars but with the exception of the 3 they can't sway the Honda and Nissan buyer away. Its all about supply and demand in regards to how many rebates a manufacturer offers on cars. |
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Replying to: mcap (Dec 27, 2005 2:15 pm) I'm sure Honda owners have their complaints about their cars too. Not every car is trouble free. I like both Honda amd Mazda. I think both the Civic Coupe and Mazda 3 are some of the best cars that both Honda and Mazda have ever styled as a admirer of both companies. "Finally, you have to look at cars in the long term. The 6 was apparently very reliable until it was downgraded recently." In Consumer Reports CR reccomended the Mazda 6 Sedan 4 cyl(average reliability and the Mazda 6 wagon(above average reliability.) Cr didn't reccomend the 6 cyl 6 sedan(under average reliability and 6 hatch(below average reliability as well.) "Who knows what the long term viability of the 3 will be (although the civic is unproven for 06 as well)." The 3 has been reliable according to CR scoring above average reliability for 04 and 05. 05 models only had 3,000 miles on them of CR's survey however. Yeah the last generation(01-05)Civic did have first year bugs with the suspension for the couple of years of bodystyle but the last generation Civic did still have good reliability. |
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