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Replying to: rwh (Apr 24, 2007 7:30 am) Agreed. Fuel economy is one of the disappointments of the Mazda3 wagon. The increased engine size and additional weight of the car, have compromised the Mazda 3s's fuel economy. The predecessor to the Mazda3 wagon, the Protege5, achieved the same fuel economy rating 5 years ago. Hopefully Mazda will get on the lighter is better bandwagon eventually. Building a lighter car does not mean less comfortable or decontented. TIP: When comparing cars check their curb weight. A small vehicle that exceeds 3000# should be penalized by consumers. Manufacturers should be aiming for 2500# or less for small cars. |
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Replying to: autonomous (Apr 24, 2007 8:54 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (Apr 24, 2007 8:55 am)
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Replying to: autonomous (Apr 24, 2007 8:54 am) The Protege5 also had only 132 hp , not 156....and it was a smaller displacement engine. If anything, the Mazda3 hatch had improved due to more power, bigger displacement, and still got around 30pmg....
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Replying to: rwh (Apr 23, 2007 12:02 pm)
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Yes, the Mazda3 hatch and the Mazda3s sedan have the same mileage ratings. They also have the same 2.3 engine. The ratings I saw on the door sticker last weekend were 25/31. I'm not buying a car only based on gas mileage, but it is a big factor, otherwise I would buy a pick up truck or SUV. If I'm going to buy a small car I want it to be fuel efficient. I like the Mazda, but the Honda felt like a little better car to me. And I like getting a 5 speed AT without having to buy a bigger engine. I also liked the 4 wheel disk ABS on the EX.
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| Oops. I think the sticker was 23/31. | |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 24, 2007 10:15 am) Both the Mazda3 hatch and Protege5 (from 5 years ago) have identical combined fuel economy ratings of 25 mpg (source: Consumer Reports). So, no improvement in fuel economy. The Mazda3 gained its additional power from a larger 2.3L engine; no surprise. The Mazda3 base sedan is more impressive than the hatch for that reason; it bumped up the power and torque while using the same 2.0L displacement as the Protege ES sedan. We need more efficient not larger engines. More efficient engines produce more power and more torque in smaller (lighter) displacement "boxes". Adding weight is the wrong way of getting more power in these days of climate change. As one simple example, why are car seats designed to be so heavy? Do consumers want to drive sofas? Some recent Mazda prototypes point to new options, with seats made of lighter materials that swivel. Let's applaud the designs that give us what we want: lighter more functional cars. |
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Replying to: eldaino (Apr 24, 2007 8:50 am) Around here we see more Mazda 3(s), Subarus and VW Jettas and Passats than the new Civics, but see lots of previous generation Civics. I like the look of the new Civic if viewed at a slight angle from the front or rear, just like the pictures in the Honda brochure those graphic designers are responsible for. When I see one drive by and I look at it broadside I can see my wife's point. It's shaped kind of like a bubble, a flattened VW Beetle lacking in style. But I guess nothing can actually be "designless". It was probably just the most insulting way my wife could think of to describe its looks. But she likes the moonroof! I'm more interested in picking a car that's safe, will last a long time and cost as little to own as possible while still providing a pleasant driving experience. I've never owned a Honda, other than a couple motorcycles, so I don't think I have any specific preference for Hondas.
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